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Old 07-21-2011, 02:16 AM   #4
propolo

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Ibn taymiyah(rh) says in Majmu'a Fatawi :


This state of love is the state of many people that are from the people of Love to Allah 'azza wa jall, they are the people of the love of Allah and the People of the Will (al-Irada) of Allah (it is typical of many of the people that love God and seek Him.)
Because that person has vanished in his lover, in Allah 'azza wa jall--through the intensity of the love, because He vanished in Allah's love, not his own ego's love. And he will recall Allah, not recalling himself, remember Allah not remembering himself, visualizing Allah [yastashhid], not visualizing himself, existing in Allah, not in the existence of himself.
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When he reaches that stage, he no longer feels his own existence. And that is why he says in this state, "Ana al-Haqq" (I am the Truth), or "Subhanee. (Glory to Me!)" and he will say "maa fil jubba ill-Allah" (there is nothing in this cloak except Allah), because he is drunk in the love of God and this is a pleasure and happiness that he cannot control."

Further on Sheikh ul Islam Ibn Taymiyya says in same above book :
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"This [matter] has in it Haqq and there is in it Batil. But when someone will enter a state with his fervor intense love ('ishq) to Allah, he will enter a state of absentmindedness, and when he enters the state of absentmindedness, he will find himself as if he is accepting the [concept] ittihad. I do not consider this a sin. Because that person is excused and no one may punish him as he is not aware of what he is doing. Because the pen does not condemn the crazy except when he is restored to sanity

. And when that person is in that state and he was wrong in what he did, he will be under Allah's address:
"Rabbana laa tuakhidhna in-nasseeena aw akhtaana" "O Our Lord, do not take us to task if we forget or make mistakes." (Baqara, 286)

"And Allah says in other verse, "wa laa junaaha 'alaykum fimaa akhtaatum bihi" "there is no blame on you if you unintentionally do a mistake."

Sahih Muslim Book 037, Number 6618:

Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Allah is more pleased with the repentance of a servant as he turns towards Him for repentance than this that one amongst you is upon the camel in a waterless desert and there is upon (that camel) his provision of food and drink also and it is lost by him, and he having lost all hope....(to get it back) lies down in the shadow and is disappointed about his camel and there he finds that camel standing before him. He takes hold of his nosestring and then out of boundless joy says: 0 Lord, Thou art my servant and I am Thine Lord. He commits this mistake out of extreme delight.

Here from about hadith it proves that if some one says objectional words in a state of Ecstasy, unintentionally , Swoon, or when his mind or body is not in his control than it cannot be considered as Kufr.
yes, laymen got nothing to do with those books. ITs just publishers translate those books, and brings to the laymen and in the market for business sake.
ok brother jazak allahu khair, so your point is that we shouldnt call sufis who utter heresey as a kafir? I will make two points on this inshallah

1 even if we agree not to call him a kafir, why teach his books and praise him and love his poetry? In the hadeeth you mentioned, we are not supposed to say 'subahanallah, i am your lord and you are my slave, how deep and spiritual, im going to spread these words everywhere and teach them to people'. Your supposed to say 'may allah forgive you brother, i think you meant to say you are my lord and i am your slave'.


2 if we follow hanafi fiqh, what does bahishti zawar say on the issue?

'apostacy

2. Once a person utters the words of kufr, imaan will no longer remain with him. All the pious deeds and forms of ibaadah which he may have fulfilled while he was muslim will be rendered null and void'

point number 1 mentions a male who renounces islam is given three days to recant and is thenm executed.

So if rumi was alive, he would have had three days to leave his intoxication before execution so thats more than enough time to chill out after getting dizzy from spinning round too much
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