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**njfeedd3w** · 05-05-2011, 12:35 PM

the Islamic concept and the budhist/hindu concepts of enlightenment are different - so its hard to say yes or no to yuor question

For the budhust, enlightenment is becoming one with the universe - chakras aligning and karma being understood fully.

The Islamic version of enlightenment is internal and external - interanly, the enlightened Muslim defeats all nafs and worldly desires, transforming those nafs into nafs ul mumaina - meaning that rather than your nafs desiring a haraam thing, they only desire the halal - instead of lusting over women, they lust over salaat or dhikr. Externally this enlightenment manifests itself in complete tawhid - when one realizes that all, good and bad, comes from Allah - that one has already been alotted his share in this world and nothing can increase or decrease it except Allah - when realizing that there is no Might and Power except for Allah - then thios person has knowledge of both self and creation - even if the particulars of the creation are not revealed to him.

Interesting, are these Sufi views or Orthodox Islamic views, I was just wondering. Also, what is the name of the end goal of Sufism, as my guess is Sufism has an end goal of enlightenment. Like what is the arabic name for their end goal.

For the budhust, enlightenment is becoming one with the universe - chakras aligning and karma being understood fully. Actually this is a misconception, for Buddhists, enlightenment is supposed to be the complete and total annihlation of suffering. The Buddhist Enlightenment is where one's emotions are totally eradicated too.

An Enlightened Buddhist feels no: mental suffering, depression, pain (not physical pain), anxiety, hatred, desire etc.

I think the karma and chakra stuff is related to Hinduism or new age ideas

Zen Enlightenment is slightly more iffy, Jain enlightenment is the eradication of suffering too I think.

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njfeedd3w Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 401 Senior Member	the Islamic concept and the budhist/hindu concepts of enlightenment are different - so its hard to say yes or no to yuor question For the budhust, enlightenment is becoming one with the universe - chakras aligning and karma being understood fully. The Islamic version of enlightenment is internal and external - interanly, the enlightened Muslim defeats all nafs and worldly desires, transforming those nafs into nafs ul mumaina - meaning that rather than your nafs desiring a haraam thing, they only desire the halal - instead of lusting over women, they lust over salaat or dhikr. Externally this enlightenment manifests itself in complete tawhid - when one realizes that all, good and bad, comes from Allah - that one has already been alotted his share in this world and nothing can increase or decrease it except Allah - when realizing that there is no Might and Power except for Allah - then thios person has knowledge of both self and creation - even if the particulars of the creation are not revealed to him. Interesting, are these Sufi views or Orthodox Islamic views, I was just wondering. Also, what is the name of the end goal of Sufism, as my guess is Sufism has an end goal of enlightenment. Like what is the arabic name for their end goal. For the budhust, enlightenment is becoming one with the universe - chakras aligning and karma being understood fully. Actually this is a misconception, for Buddhists, enlightenment is supposed to be the complete and total annihlation of suffering. The Buddhist Enlightenment is where one's emotions are totally eradicated too. An Enlightened Buddhist feels no: mental suffering, depression, pain (not physical pain), anxiety, hatred, desire etc. I think the karma and chakra stuff is related to Hinduism or new age ideas Zen Enlightenment is slightly more iffy, Jain enlightenment is the eradication of suffering too I think.
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