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**cargo_brad** · 05-06-2011, 02:45 AM

[QUOTE=David;604797][QUOTE=ahamed_sharif;604793]

bro, the salafis are the staunchest in adherence to the sunnah and if you dont see that then you have not sat with them in their gatherings. If I go to a sufi mosque and mention a sunnah that isnt practiced "back home" they will outright reject it, if I bring any sunnah to a salafi masjid they will all race to practice it. That is somethign im 100% certain about. What you have said is teh opposite of reality. Sufis like to busy themselves wit things that simply arent the sunnah

Brother David, you left the thread where we were having a discussion about the varying fiqh definitions of bid'ah. Herein we've seen you promoting this particular view of what does and does not constitute ibadah again without acknowledging the varying available opinions. Is dhikr ibadah? Is it ibadah if it is used as a means? As an end? Is there a need for a balanced approach? Is there a need for enumerating the differences between conceptions of bid'ah as per the opinions of the Salaf? I believe there is, but you have not lived up to this.

I do not believe this constitutes a sensible way of comporting yourself here, nor does it really suit you to be speaking invective against tasawwuf simply because ignorant people in the subcontinent sacrifice bulls to saints (shirk). If I were to point out that a some Salafis are zealous youths who refuse to believe that any scholar should be followed for any reason and that following a madhab is shirk or equivalent to shirk, you would protest that these people do not represent Salafiyyah- I protest that the practices of ignorant people do not represent Tasawwuf because they do not.

Are the miracles of the awliya true or not?

05-06-2011, 02:45 AM	#27
cargo_brad Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 412 Senior Member	[QUOTE=David;604797][QUOTE=ahamed_sharif;604793] bro, the salafis are the staunchest in adherence to the sunnah and if you dont see that then you have not sat with them in their gatherings. If I go to a sufi mosque and mention a sunnah that isnt practiced "back home" they will outright reject it, if I bring any sunnah to a salafi masjid they will all race to practice it. That is somethign im 100% certain about. What you have said is teh opposite of reality. Sufis like to busy themselves wit things that simply arent the sunnah Brother David, you left the thread where we were having a discussion about the varying fiqh definitions of bid'ah. Herein we've seen you promoting this particular view of what does and does not constitute ibadah again without acknowledging the varying available opinions. Is dhikr ibadah? Is it ibadah if it is used as a means? As an end? Is there a need for a balanced approach? Is there a need for enumerating the differences between conceptions of bid'ah as per the opinions of the Salaf? I believe there is, but you have not lived up to this. I do not believe this constitutes a sensible way of comporting yourself here, nor does it really suit you to be speaking invective against tasawwuf simply because ignorant people in the subcontinent sacrifice bulls to saints (shirk). If I were to point out that a some Salafis are zealous youths who refuse to believe that any scholar should be followed for any reason and that following a madhab is shirk or equivalent to shirk, you would protest that these people do not represent Salafiyyah- I protest that the practices of ignorant people do not represent Tasawwuf because they do not. Are the miracles of the awliya true or not?
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