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**njfeedd3w** · 05-13-2011, 02:11 PM

Hello, again. After a long time I guess.

Basically I was describing the certain insights that arose while meditating. Like said that first one (a shift) occurs when you objectify your very being, the second one is when you notice cause and effect, the third one is when you notice the three characteristics. I would have diagnosed myself as reaching the very end of the third nana or stage and that would according to some people make me partially enlightened.

I didn't respond because, you seem to be constantly taking shots at me, and seem to be jealous of the fact that some people would endorse me as being enlightened.

See here: amongst the budhists, what you said was probably pretty basic, but when you come into the circle of zahids, it goes right over their heads - thats probably how many non muslims feel when they ask a quetion and we respond with a Arabic/Urdhu/english cassarole. It's actually not basic at all, it's not necessarily advanced though, it's merely esoteric. You see no Theravada Buddhist would understand what I'm talking about because it phases into Hardcore Dharma, at the same time a Hardcore Dharma follower wouldn't necessarily understand either because it's partially vocabulary I use to describe my own experiences, plus their's theory of mind, as well as some of my own thinking.

Basically when you describe very very detailed mental phenomena you can't really expect anyone who is listening to you, to know what you're saying.

one who attempts certain things without a guide could end up worse off then they started, is this the same in budhism - or do you guys have a DIY attitude about enlightenment? IMO, it doesn't matter whether one has a guide or not because it's ultimately the person's intention that determines where they end up, so the guide sort of becomes irrelevant, but I did catch your implication that I ended up more screwed up than before. Ironic, because that's also what I thought, but according to certain people it had to do with the certain stage I was in. Assuming that I was in that stage that is.

Anyways, like I said I'm not not enlightened at all, so just forget it.

05-13-2011, 02:11 PM	#37
njfeedd3w Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 401 Senior Member	Hello, again. After a long time I guess. Basically I was describing the certain insights that arose while meditating. Like said that first one (a shift) occurs when you objectify your very being, the second one is when you notice cause and effect, the third one is when you notice the three characteristics. I would have diagnosed myself as reaching the very end of the third nana or stage and that would according to some people make me partially enlightened. I didn't respond because, you seem to be constantly taking shots at me, and seem to be jealous of the fact that some people would endorse me as being enlightened. See here: amongst the budhists, what you said was probably pretty basic, but when you come into the circle of zahids, it goes right over their heads - thats probably how many non muslims feel when they ask a quetion and we respond with a Arabic/Urdhu/english cassarole. It's actually not basic at all, it's not necessarily advanced though, it's merely esoteric. You see no Theravada Buddhist would understand what I'm talking about because it phases into Hardcore Dharma, at the same time a Hardcore Dharma follower wouldn't necessarily understand either because it's partially vocabulary I use to describe my own experiences, plus their's theory of mind, as well as some of my own thinking. Basically when you describe very very detailed mental phenomena you can't really expect anyone who is listening to you, to know what you're saying. one who attempts certain things without a guide could end up worse off then they started, is this the same in budhism - or do you guys have a DIY attitude about enlightenment? IMO, it doesn't matter whether one has a guide or not because it's ultimately the person's intention that determines where they end up, so the guide sort of becomes irrelevant, but I did catch your implication that I ended up more screwed up than before. Ironic, because that's also what I thought, but according to certain people it had to do with the certain stage I was in. Assuming that I was in that stage that is. Anyways, like I said I'm not not enlightened at all, so just forget it.
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