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**Pipindula** · 04-26-2010, 04:26 AM

Every single culture on Earth has references to gods coming down from the sky in relation to the start of human civilization. And only at that point in time did man record the stories of creation, in that misty past of passed down stories. That's what I meant about "others" fucking around with us.

"If God didn't exist. man would have to invent him"
With self awarness, and knowledge of mortality, comes the human question -
why am I here, only to die as soon as I get an understanding of what the world is? (wisdom).
We can't accept we single humans go thru life, aquire skills, and success, then die the same as a pauper, or simple mind.

we also refuse to se we are of the earth, and are created from primitive organic molecules. In just the condition s proper to grow more complex, to form new life forms.
Life seeks to expand, it IS a force m, the same as gravity, or mass - yes The Living Universe.

"Every now and then I down to the end of the day
And I have to stop and ask myself why I've done it.
It just seems so useless to have to work so hard
And nothin' ever really seems to come from it. ( Petty)

On the main topic, one must ask, what is life itself? Based on non-living molecules originally formed out of nothing (based on the Big Bang origin of the Universe). In other words, there's some force that creates living matter, that eventually culminates in intelligent beings, out of simple chemical and energy interactions. Something at a microcosmic scale "wants" to evolve into complex expressions of matter.

Therefore I propose that the Universe itself is alive, continually finding new ways to expresss itself, through all the diverse forms of life we find. And if that's true, then the underlying force would be God, by generic definition. And I present the hypothesis that our misinterpretations of (or ideas planted by) more evolved life forms interacting with us (possibly millions or billions of years more evolved than us) in the distant past were thought of a God, gods, angels, etc., by the original primitive cultures that led to civilization as we know it.

And here's something that sounds simple, yet gets complicated when understood that the original framework was inorganic matter: What is abstract thought itself?

How do you get from gas and rock to Stephen Hawking, without an underlying force, which apparently has "a desire" to evolve? You are describing the ancient idea of life force, which isn't just an individuals spirirt - but the taoist idea that all things alive are spiritual
( having more than just a simple physical form, but also a life force of Chi

Chi is universal life force on this planet, i see no reason why other places where life can exist, which also doesn't have similair force to drive replication and more life forms.

04-26-2010, 04:26 AM	#11
Pipindula Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 446 Senior Member	Every single culture on Earth has references to gods coming down from the sky in relation to the start of human civilization. And only at that point in time did man record the stories of creation, in that misty past of passed down stories. That's what I meant about "others" fucking around with us. "If God didn't exist. man would have to invent him" With self awarness, and knowledge of mortality, comes the human question - why am I here, only to die as soon as I get an understanding of what the world is? (wisdom). We can't accept we single humans go thru life, aquire skills, and success, then die the same as a pauper, or simple mind. we also refuse to se we are of the earth, and are created from primitive organic molecules. In just the condition s proper to grow more complex, to form new life forms. Life seeks to expand, it IS a force m, the same as gravity, or mass - yes The Living Universe. "Every now and then I down to the end of the day And I have to stop and ask myself why I've done it. It just seems so useless to have to work so hard And nothin' ever really seems to come from it. ( Petty) On the main topic, one must ask, what is life itself? Based on non-living molecules originally formed out of nothing (based on the Big Bang origin of the Universe). In other words, there's some force that creates living matter, that eventually culminates in intelligent beings, out of simple chemical and energy interactions. Something at a microcosmic scale "wants" to evolve into complex expressions of matter. Therefore I propose that the Universe itself is alive, continually finding new ways to expresss itself, through all the diverse forms of life we find. And if that's true, then the underlying force would be God, by generic definition. And I present the hypothesis that our misinterpretations of (or ideas planted by) more evolved life forms interacting with us (possibly millions or billions of years more evolved than us) in the distant past were thought of a God, gods, angels, etc., by the original primitive cultures that led to civilization as we know it. And here's something that sounds simple, yet gets complicated when understood that the original framework was inorganic matter: What is abstract thought itself? How do you get from gas and rock to Stephen Hawking, without an underlying force, which apparently has "a desire" to evolve? You are describing the ancient idea of life force, which isn't just an individuals spirirt - but the taoist idea that all things alive are spiritual ( having more than just a simple physical form, but also a life force of Chi Chi is universal life force on this planet, i see no reason why other places where life can exist, which also doesn't have similair force to drive replication and more life forms.
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