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**saruxanset** · 07-05-2011, 07:22 AM

Brothers, I don't understand where this dipping and pouring from a cup evidence comes from. Are these just being made up as we go along? very strange. Firstly, the condition of the Jawrab being waterproof is a very weak position, even in the Hanafi school. From Imam Abu Yusuf and Imam Muhammad Hassan Al Shaibani , only two conditions are specified. 1. Thakheen and 2. They don't reveal the skin of the foot ( See Al Hidayah, Quduri etc ).
Thakheen means that it is not held around the foot by external support e.g laces and it doesn't collapse when you walk, so that it reveals the foot. The reason this is a condition is because only very thick cloth could stand on its own and not collapse. But since the 1960's with the discovery of Nylon, thickness is not relevant for the sock to stay firmly on the foot when you walk ( See Ibn Qudama's Al Mughni for a detailed meaning of Thakeen, and the aim of the Fuqaha for mentioning this condition).

Allah SWT knows best.

Assalamu aliakum,

I remember Mufti Husain saying once that the material needs to be water proof and not the socks itself (as brother Ansari mentioned). Mufti Husain also said that the material has to be waterproof to the extent that if water is poured from a bottle onto the material it will not leak - not if it is dipped in water (too much pressure) nor while making masah (too little pressure).

07-05-2011, 07:22 AM	#9
saruxanset Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 471 Senior Member	Brothers, I don't understand where this dipping and pouring from a cup evidence comes from. Are these just being made up as we go along? very strange. Firstly, the condition of the Jawrab being waterproof is a very weak position, even in the Hanafi school. From Imam Abu Yusuf and Imam Muhammad Hassan Al Shaibani , only two conditions are specified. 1. Thakheen and 2. They don't reveal the skin of the foot ( See Al Hidayah, Quduri etc ). Thakheen means that it is not held around the foot by external support e.g laces and it doesn't collapse when you walk, so that it reveals the foot. The reason this is a condition is because only very thick cloth could stand on its own and not collapse. But since the 1960's with the discovery of Nylon, thickness is not relevant for the sock to stay firmly on the foot when you walk ( See Ibn Qudama's Al Mughni for a detailed meaning of Thakeen, and the aim of the Fuqaha for mentioning this condition). Allah SWT knows best. Assalamu aliakum, I remember Mufti Husain saying once that the material needs to be water proof and not the socks itself (as brother Ansari mentioned). Mufti Husain also said that the material has to be waterproof to the extent that if water is poured from a bottle onto the material it will not leak - not if it is dipped in water (too much pressure) nor while making masah (too little pressure).
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