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**MAKEMONEY** · 06-25-2011, 08:48 PM

akhi, would you agree with Al-Sudais in condemning the protesters in Tunisia, Egypt, Saudi, Bahrain, Libya and Syria who wanted to overthrow their oppressive, brutal leaders?

After all, it is unislamic to 'disobey' your leaders?

That's a judgment based on situational circumstances.

Ultimately, democracy is not an Islamic value and neither is equality (in the Western sense) and neither is 'progress' - all of these are liberal doctrine (liberal in the Locke sense) which is foreign and alien to Islam.

An Islamic leader is responsible for what his people do. So say he enjoins upon them the prayer, five times daily- and then they vote against that. Is that legal? Should he stop enjoining upon them the prayer? No, because the prayer is to be established by an Islamic leader, it is entirely one hundred percent necessary, and the suffering of an individual who detests the prayer and is an apostate in his heart is not relevant.

Say the people want to drink alcohol. So they vote that it should be legalized. Should it be legalized? No. Absolutely not. This is the problem with democracy in the Western sense that it lends a sort of profound blissful resonance to the idea of personal autonomy when that's not how Islamic matters work. It is not 'your business' if you do it (whatever 'it' may be) in public. If you do 'it' (whatever it may be) in private and nobody knows about it but you and Allah and whomever else is involved, fine. But the public morality must be established and the matters which contradict Allah's law must be punished as per Allah's decree.

As the Prophet

said "If Fatima

daughter of Muhammad

stole, I would order her hand cut off." There is no exception to this except for the rare circumstances such as the prevailing one when Umar

suspended something for a brief time.

06-25-2011, 08:48 PM	#8
MAKEMONEY Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 396 Senior Member	akhi, would you agree with Al-Sudais in condemning the protesters in Tunisia, Egypt, Saudi, Bahrain, Libya and Syria who wanted to overthrow their oppressive, brutal leaders? After all, it is unislamic to 'disobey' your leaders? That's a judgment based on situational circumstances. Ultimately, democracy is not an Islamic value and neither is equality (in the Western sense) and neither is 'progress' - all of these are liberal doctrine (liberal in the Locke sense) which is foreign and alien to Islam. An Islamic leader is responsible for what his people do. So say he enjoins upon them the prayer, five times daily- and then they vote against that. Is that legal? Should he stop enjoining upon them the prayer? No, because the prayer is to be established by an Islamic leader, it is entirely one hundred percent necessary, and the suffering of an individual who detests the prayer and is an apostate in his heart is not relevant. Say the people want to drink alcohol. So they vote that it should be legalized. Should it be legalized? No. Absolutely not. This is the problem with democracy in the Western sense that it lends a sort of profound blissful resonance to the idea of personal autonomy when that's not how Islamic matters work. It is not 'your business' if you do it (whatever 'it' may be) in public. If you do 'it' (whatever it may be) in private and nobody knows about it but you and Allah and whomever else is involved, fine. But the public morality must be established and the matters which contradict Allah's law must be punished as per Allah's decree. As the Prophet said "If Fatima daughter of Muhammad stole, I would order her hand cut off." There is no exception to this except for the rare circumstances such as the prevailing one when Umar suspended something for a brief time.
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