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**lakraboob** · 06-21-2011, 04:53 AM

Considering that most politicians are kuffar and liars, no I am not... and I still don't know what you are saying or joking about.

Nothing meaning from the explanation of Qurtubi? Okay...

Open a new topic and I will answer you, probably the same way I answered here.

1) There is no kayfiyah to the sifaat of Allah

2) Imam Malik would have beat you up.

3) Ibn Rajab called you a Innovator for asking.

What?

What?

What?

I think after all that ambiguous thinking you've went to, you've started to speak in the same way.

Bro, when you want to make some coherent and intelligent statements we will carry on.

The issue was resolved in Post 4:

Wa 'Alaykum Salaam

I'm more inclined to the view that the narration is a proof for tawassul through the living rather then it being proof for this issue.

Here is the text:

Mālik ad-Dār (RA) has related: The people were gripped by famine during the tenure of ‘Umar (bin al-Khattāb). Then a Companion walked up to the Prophet’s grave and said, “O Messenger of Allah, please ask for rain from Allah for your Community who is in dire straits.” Then the Companion saw the Prophet in a dream. The Prophet said to him, “Go over to ‘Umar, give him my regards and tell him that the rain will come to you. And tell ‘Umar that he should be on his toes, he should be on his toes, (he should remain alert).” Then the Companion went over to see ‘Umar and passed on to him the tidings. On hearing this, ‘Umar broke into a spurt of crying. He said, “O Allah, I exert myself to the full until I am completely exhausted.”

There are three possible ways of looking at this tradition:

Discuss the Authenticity of this text and we can argue back and forth as both sides can quote enough Scholars of Hadeeth
Take the narration on face value and it categorically proves that it is permissable to go to the grave of Rasul-ullah and make dua
Interpret the narration and thus show that Rasul-ullah taught correct Aqeedah to the man in a dream

If you want to take option 3 then we will say prove to us that Sayyidina Umar (RA) REBUKED or REFUTED the man on his action.

Wa 'Alaykum Salaam

So apart from that are there any other evidences people bring for this practice?

There is no apart from this business once an Athar has been established to be Authentic, you can't go around saying "apart from this and that"

Imam Baihaqi (RA), Imam Ibn Abi Shaybah (RA) & Al-Hafidh Ibn Haj'r Al-Asqalani (RA) & "I believe" Imam Ibn Kathir (RA) accept the authenticity of this narration so that's case closed, job done.

06-21-2011, 04:53 AM	#22
lakraboob Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 451 Senior Member	Considering that most politicians are kuffar and liars, no I am not... and I still don't know what you are saying or joking about. Nothing meaning from the explanation of Qurtubi? Okay... Open a new topic and I will answer you, probably the same way I answered here. 1) There is no kayfiyah to the sifaat of Allah 2) Imam Malik would have beat you up. 3) Ibn Rajab called you a Innovator for asking. What? What? What? I think after all that ambiguous thinking you've went to, you've started to speak in the same way. Bro, when you want to make some coherent and intelligent statements we will carry on. The issue was resolved in Post 4: Wa 'Alaykum Salaam I'm more inclined to the view that the narration is a proof for tawassul through the living rather then it being proof for this issue. Here is the text: Mālik ad-Dār (RA) has related: The people were gripped by famine during the tenure of ‘Umar (bin al-Khattāb). Then a Companion walked up to the Prophet’s grave and said, “O Messenger of Allah, please ask for rain from Allah for your Community who is in dire straits.” Then the Companion saw the Prophet in a dream. The Prophet said to him, “Go over to ‘Umar, give him my regards and tell him that the rain will come to you. And tell ‘Umar that he should be on his toes, he should be on his toes, (he should remain alert).” Then the Companion went over to see ‘Umar and passed on to him the tidings. On hearing this, ‘Umar broke into a spurt of crying. He said, “O Allah, I exert myself to the full until I am completely exhausted.” There are three possible ways of looking at this tradition: Discuss the Authenticity of this text and we can argue back and forth as both sides can quote enough Scholars of Hadeeth Take the narration on face value and it categorically proves that it is permissable to go to the grave of Rasul-ullah and make dua Interpret the narration and thus show that Rasul-ullah taught correct Aqeedah to the man in a dream If you want to take option 3 then we will say prove to us that Sayyidina Umar (RA) REBUKED or REFUTED the man on his action. Wa 'Alaykum Salaam So apart from that are there any other evidences people bring for this practice? There is no apart from this business once an Athar has been established to be Authentic, you can't go around saying "apart from this and that" Imam Baihaqi (RA), Imam Ibn Abi Shaybah (RA) & Al-Hafidh Ibn Haj'r Al-Asqalani (RA) & "I believe" Imam Ibn Kathir (RA) accept the authenticity of this narration so that's case closed, job done.
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