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**ppaelkos** · 08-19-2008, 08:03 AM

As Salamu Alaykum

The best way to find out how the Malikis derive their rulings is to look at the Maliki sources themselves.

Wa 'alaikum Asalaam

Which is what I'm doing, and that's why I don't want to discuss it.

Now what does Dr Bilal Philips says the reason is in his book evolution of fiqh?

"Malik was tied and beaten until his arms became severely damaged to such a degree that he became unable to clasp them on his chest in Salaah and thus he began the practice of praying with his hands to the sides according to some reports." p. 78 Evolution of Fiqh 2nd Edition

If you check on that page there is no footnote to substantiate that claim and as already noted, the Maliki scholars including Imam Malik himself is recorded as to why he did so and it wasn't because of an injury. This is further substantiated in Ibn Rushd's book Bidayat al Mujtahid which is a work on khilaf amongst the mujtahidun and the work by the Shafi'i scholar Imam Sha'rani in his Mizan al Kubra as well as other works.For more evidence I recommend you reread my original post on the primay proofs and secondary proofs for why the Maliki do so. There is even a short work in Arabic produced on the very topic of sadl and how the Malikis defend that position and their proofs.

So we have to ask ourselves how did the Salafis like Dr Bilal Philips and others substantiate that claim about why the Maliki school prays like that. Did they consult what Imam Malik actually said as recorded by his direct student ibn al Qasim in Sahnun's Mudawwana? Did they look at the most reliable primers and text proof encyclopedias of the Maliki school?

Based on what was written in Evolution of Fiqh and recycled ad naseum in some Salafi websites and books, they didn't. As a person who had an opportunity to study some of the most well known short primers of the Maliki madhhab from 1998-2002 it shouldn't have been difficult to find (and I'm considered just a student). I never concurred with Philips, I merely mentioned what he said.

With all those works and proofs available in both Arabic and now in English, there was no excuse for Salafi scholars like Dr Bilal Philips to present what he did in that book. He is not an aalim...

That shows he was either unaware of what the Malikis have said, which is irresponsible when publishing a book to be read by everyday people, or ....the worst, which I hope it isn't..that he knowingly misled people into believing that this is why Malikis pray like that ...because of an injury their Imam had with the local governor of Madinah. If I said the same thing about material published by the Ahnaaf concerning masah 'ala jawrabayn where the Hanbali position is misrepresented - and than further used it as a basis in my bigoted approach to avoid and zealously warn against all things Hanafi, nobody would lend me an ear.

08-19-2008, 08:03 AM	#28
ppaelkos Join Date Oct 2005 Location Canada Posts 379 Senior Member	As Salamu Alaykum The best way to find out how the Malikis derive their rulings is to look at the Maliki sources themselves. Wa 'alaikum Asalaam Which is what I'm doing, and that's why I don't want to discuss it. Now what does Dr Bilal Philips says the reason is in his book evolution of fiqh? "Malik was tied and beaten until his arms became severely damaged to such a degree that he became unable to clasp them on his chest in Salaah and thus he began the practice of praying with his hands to the sides according to some reports." p. 78 Evolution of Fiqh 2nd Edition If you check on that page there is no footnote to substantiate that claim and as already noted, the Maliki scholars including Imam Malik himself is recorded as to why he did so and it wasn't because of an injury. This is further substantiated in Ibn Rushd's book Bidayat al Mujtahid which is a work on khilaf amongst the mujtahidun and the work by the Shafi'i scholar Imam Sha'rani in his Mizan al Kubra as well as other works.For more evidence I recommend you reread my original post on the primay proofs and secondary proofs for why the Maliki do so. There is even a short work in Arabic produced on the very topic of sadl and how the Malikis defend that position and their proofs. So we have to ask ourselves how did the Salafis like Dr Bilal Philips and others substantiate that claim about why the Maliki school prays like that. Did they consult what Imam Malik actually said as recorded by his direct student ibn al Qasim in Sahnun's Mudawwana? Did they look at the most reliable primers and text proof encyclopedias of the Maliki school? Based on what was written in Evolution of Fiqh and recycled ad naseum in some Salafi websites and books, they didn't. As a person who had an opportunity to study some of the most well known short primers of the Maliki madhhab from 1998-2002 it shouldn't have been difficult to find (and I'm considered just a student). I never concurred with Philips, I merely mentioned what he said. With all those works and proofs available in both Arabic and now in English, there was no excuse for Salafi scholars like Dr Bilal Philips to present what he did in that book. He is not an aalim... That shows he was either unaware of what the Malikis have said, which is irresponsible when publishing a book to be read by everyday people, or ....the worst, which I hope it isn't..that he knowingly misled people into believing that this is why Malikis pray like that ...because of an injury their Imam had with the local governor of Madinah. If I said the same thing about material published by the Ahnaaf concerning masah 'ala jawrabayn where the Hanbali position is misrepresented - and than further used it as a basis in my bigoted approach to avoid and zealously warn against all things Hanafi, nobody would lend me an ear.
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