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**adolfadsermens** · 01-22-2008, 01:45 AM

wa'alaykumussalaam,

It's not as simple as this though. For centuries, the Ash'ari's and Maturidis were collectively known as ahl ul-'athar and as ahl ul-Hadith. So the terms are sometimes confusing.

lol, you must be kidding, they where called ashari's and maturidis.
They where even called Kullubist in the early day's.

http://www.hanbalis.com/index.php/Kullabism

I think that the group which today calls itself Athari claims to follow the Aqidah of Imam Ahmad. In that case, there are potential issues surrounding the how well the beliefs of Imam Ahmad (especially the explanations of his many sayings) have been preserved. As you said, it is not truly a school. Ashari's are not athari's it is well known that Hanbali's where nearly alway's rebuking ashari's.

If you wan't to take up the aqeedah of Hanbali Madhaab, please feel free to go to a hanbali, and I gurantee you would see their dislike of asharism.

Unless if you are talking about al-Ibaanah ashari, you would see some criticism, but nothing major.

Also you might wan't to distinguish between the contempory ashari's from the latter one.

Secondly who told you it is not a truly a school.

Personally, I do not understand why anyone would choose a non-school over an established school. An established school is CONFIRMED to be correct. And if one claims that Ash'aris or Maturidis are astray, then they better be prepared to reject any and all chains that contain Ash'aris or Maturidis. I doubt that there would be a single chain that they could consider Saheeh. What chain's you are talking about? Hadith chain's?

Anyway, I could post tons of proofs from the Qur'an and the Hadith that specifically support the belief that the Ash'aris and Maturidis are correct. Oh that would be great, please do not let me stop you.

While you at it, check also the thread out on Allah(swt) is above, and provide your ton's of proof fromt the Quraan and Sunnaah that he is not.

01-22-2008, 01:45 AM	#7
adolfadsermens Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	wa'alaykumussalaam, It's not as simple as this though. For centuries, the Ash'ari's and Maturidis were collectively known as ahl ul-'athar and as ahl ul-Hadith. So the terms are sometimes confusing. lol, you must be kidding, they where called ashari's and maturidis. They where even called Kullubist in the early day's. http://www.hanbalis.com/index.php/Kullabism I think that the group which today calls itself Athari claims to follow the Aqidah of Imam Ahmad. In that case, there are potential issues surrounding the how well the beliefs of Imam Ahmad (especially the explanations of his many sayings) have been preserved. As you said, it is not truly a school. Ashari's are not athari's it is well known that Hanbali's where nearly alway's rebuking ashari's. If you wan't to take up the aqeedah of Hanbali Madhaab, please feel free to go to a hanbali, and I gurantee you would see their dislike of asharism. Unless if you are talking about al-Ibaanah ashari, you would see some criticism, but nothing major. Also you might wan't to distinguish between the contempory ashari's from the latter one. Secondly who told you it is not a truly a school. Personally, I do not understand why anyone would choose a non-school over an established school. An established school is CONFIRMED to be correct. And if one claims that Ash'aris or Maturidis are astray, then they better be prepared to reject any and all chains that contain Ash'aris or Maturidis. I doubt that there would be a single chain that they could consider Saheeh. What chain's you are talking about? Hadith chain's? Anyway, I could post tons of proofs from the Qur'an and the Hadith that specifically support the belief that the Ash'aris and Maturidis are correct. Oh that would be great, please do not let me stop you. While you at it, check also the thread out on Allah(swt) is above, and provide your ton's of proof fromt the Quraan and Sunnaah that he is not.
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