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**adolfadsermens** · 01-22-2008, 02:27 AM

It is also true that the Hanbalis and Ash'aris have repeatedly been at odds with one another on matters of Aqidah over the centuries. But, the Ash'aris never denied the validity of the creed of Imam Ahmad. Rather, we reject the anthropomorphic tendencies of those who came later and claimed to believe what He believed (rahimahullah).

This is common accusation of ahsari's against the Ahul Sunnah, when backed to the corner their hatred show's, but this is a topic of another day.

And as for the thread about aboveness - you are playing with words and being indirect. We all agree that Allah is above, and the Qur'an and Sunnah attest to that. However, we understand that "above" is in reference to the High status of Allah and in reference to His authority. It's sort of like in English when a person says "the lawyer appealed his case to the court above." The word 'above,' neither in English nor in Arabic, is limited to a spatial aboveness. If you understand Allah to be in a place or a direction, then you do not have the belief of the Muslims, and you are a mushabbih who likens Allah to the creation. You don't believe Allah(swt) is above, you just negated it and gave a different meanings.

We are here not talking about english court,

Instead of usurping & ruining this thread of the sister, we can discuss this in another thread, or the pre-existing thread on Allah(swt) is above.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29961

You can repeat everything said their. Also please check out the thread on Place that has been closed now, since it would be a waste of time to repeat myself.

I think that is reasonable

Wassalam

01-22-2008, 02:27 AM	#11
adolfadsermens Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	It is also true that the Hanbalis and Ash'aris have repeatedly been at odds with one another on matters of Aqidah over the centuries. But, the Ash'aris never denied the validity of the creed of Imam Ahmad. Rather, we reject the anthropomorphic tendencies of those who came later and claimed to believe what He believed (rahimahullah). This is common accusation of ahsari's against the Ahul Sunnah, when backed to the corner their hatred show's, but this is a topic of another day. And as for the thread about aboveness - you are playing with words and being indirect. We all agree that Allah is above, and the Qur'an and Sunnah attest to that. However, we understand that "above" is in reference to the High status of Allah and in reference to His authority. It's sort of like in English when a person says "the lawyer appealed his case to the court above." The word 'above,' neither in English nor in Arabic, is limited to a spatial aboveness. If you understand Allah to be in a place or a direction, then you do not have the belief of the Muslims, and you are a mushabbih who likens Allah to the creation. You don't believe Allah(swt) is above, you just negated it and gave a different meanings. We are here not talking about english court, Instead of usurping & ruining this thread of the sister, we can discuss this in another thread, or the pre-existing thread on Allah(swt) is above. http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29961 You can repeat everything said their. Also please check out the thread on Place that has been closed now, since it would be a waste of time to repeat myself. I think that is reasonable Wassalam
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