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**nintenda** · 06-10-2011, 07:38 PM

I don't believe in Sayyids based on common sense, first of all all of these "sayyids" I've met are all Pakistani or Indian, I've never met a non-pakistani/indian Sayyid or a non-pakistani/indian sayyid that introduced themselves as sayyids.

What don't you believe in Sayyids? What did the non indopak Syeds introduce themselves as? You've never met any because they are not called Sayyids everywhere. You will find alot of Syeds in Madinah and Makkah. They are called Shareef here. Their family name is Al-Shareef. In Yemen they are called Hashmi. In other Arab places they are called hashmis. Its only in IndoPak they are called Syeds. Syed means Master. Because of their lineage, people respected them and called them Syeds.

Second, how do you trace you family all the way back to that time. If I look at my own family tree is large and complicated. You don't trace it. Your family tree is with you. Family trees of Syeds are the most protected ones. They are widely published everywhere. And most of the Syeds protect their family trees like Gold. Family trees can be long but never complicated. They are very simple.

third, what if someone changed their lastname and convinced people they were a sayyid for their children's benefit. What can be said about this? Anyone can do anything to gain worldly benefits. What can you do? Nothing.

fourth, if Sayyid are descendants of the Prophets (SAW) then why are so many of these kids who are "Sayyids" the worst examples of Muslims. It's not just about Syed. Why are most of the muslims worst examples of humanity? Syeds are also human beings, not Angels.

Lastly, I know its BS because "Sayyids" get special treatment, apparently they're are paid enormous sums of money to "bless" homes (i know as fact its happened) and preform certain religious ceremonies. Girls are almost literally "SOLD" to "Sayyid" husbands so the family can marry into the "Sayyid" clan. What is BS? All this happens because people have enormous amount of respect for Syeds. Ofcourse wrong is wrong. But if you respect Syeds because they are the descendants of Rasool Allah

then theres nothing wrong with it. And if someon wants to marry in the Syed clan then its also not wrong. It becomes wrong only when you cross the limits of Islam.

When Hazrat Umar

married Hazrat Um Kulsoom, daugher of Hazrat Ali

, he said i married her because i've heard Rasool Allah

say that all the lineages will finish on the day of Judgement except My lineage. That's why i wanted to link my Nasab with Rasool Allah

It all sounds like a system created by someone so they enrich themselves. It may sound that way but it's not. Because it isn't created by anyone. Everything in the world can be exploited. If someone exploits a good thing, it doesn't make the good thing bad.

06-10-2011, 07:38 PM	#2
nintenda Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 621 Senior Member	I don't believe in Sayyids based on common sense, first of all all of these "sayyids" I've met are all Pakistani or Indian, I've never met a non-pakistani/indian Sayyid or a non-pakistani/indian sayyid that introduced themselves as sayyids. What don't you believe in Sayyids? What did the non indopak Syeds introduce themselves as? You've never met any because they are not called Sayyids everywhere. You will find alot of Syeds in Madinah and Makkah. They are called Shareef here. Their family name is Al-Shareef. In Yemen they are called Hashmi. In other Arab places they are called hashmis. Its only in IndoPak they are called Syeds. Syed means Master. Because of their lineage, people respected them and called them Syeds. Second, how do you trace you family all the way back to that time. If I look at my own family tree is large and complicated. You don't trace it. Your family tree is with you. Family trees of Syeds are the most protected ones. They are widely published everywhere. And most of the Syeds protect their family trees like Gold. Family trees can be long but never complicated. They are very simple. third, what if someone changed their lastname and convinced people they were a sayyid for their children's benefit. What can be said about this? Anyone can do anything to gain worldly benefits. What can you do? Nothing. fourth, if Sayyid are descendants of the Prophets (SAW) then why are so many of these kids who are "Sayyids" the worst examples of Muslims. It's not just about Syed. Why are most of the muslims worst examples of humanity? Syeds are also human beings, not Angels. Lastly, I know its BS because "Sayyids" get special treatment, apparently they're are paid enormous sums of money to "bless" homes (i know as fact its happened) and preform certain religious ceremonies. Girls are almost literally "SOLD" to "Sayyid" husbands so the family can marry into the "Sayyid" clan. What is BS? All this happens because people have enormous amount of respect for Syeds. Ofcourse wrong is wrong. But if you respect Syeds because they are the descendants of Rasool Allah then theres nothing wrong with it. And if someon wants to marry in the Syed clan then its also not wrong. It becomes wrong only when you cross the limits of Islam. When Hazrat Umar married Hazrat Um Kulsoom, daugher of Hazrat Ali , he said i married her because i've heard Rasool Allah say that all the lineages will finish on the day of Judgement except My lineage. That's why i wanted to link my Nasab with Rasool Allah It all sounds like a system created by someone so they enrich themselves. It may sound that way but it's not. Because it isn't created by anyone. Everything in the world can be exploited. If someone exploits a good thing, it doesn't make the good thing bad.
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