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**Audi_z** · 04-03-2009, 03:31 PM

If a person claims to be a muslim, then how can you call himself kafir? Just because he supports the US doesn't make him kafir.

Brother, you wrote that he adheres to a party which is inherently "secular". Our scholars said that those who disestablish the necessity of shariah are from the kufaar. Did I misunderstand what you were saying or are you saying that adhering to, promoting or working towards secularism - and away from shareeah - is not kufr? I'm not defending the brother who called this man a kaafir, I know little about him and laymen shouldn't be giving verdicts anyways, but how is your defense even valid when you say it doesn't matter how secular so-and-so is? Turkey bans hijaab - this is outright kufr, indisputable, in it's secularism.

My comment is not about the man or takfeer directed at him, who I frankly view as being on the side of Pakistaan, albeit in a weak and cowardly manner, but about your defending of his party's secularist agenda. As for supporting an aggressive kaafir entity, than that depends on the type of support and neither of us are qualified.

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Audi_z Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 507 Senior Member	If a person claims to be a muslim, then how can you call himself kafir? Just because he supports the US doesn't make him kafir. Brother, you wrote that he adheres to a party which is inherently "secular". Our scholars said that those who disestablish the necessity of shariah are from the kufaar. Did I misunderstand what you were saying or are you saying that adhering to, promoting or working towards secularism - and away from shareeah - is not kufr? I'm not defending the brother who called this man a kaafir, I know little about him and laymen shouldn't be giving verdicts anyways, but how is your defense even valid when you say it doesn't matter how secular so-and-so is? Turkey bans hijaab - this is outright kufr, indisputable, in it's secularism. My comment is not about the man or takfeer directed at him, who I frankly view as being on the side of Pakistaan, albeit in a weak and cowardly manner, but about your defending of his party's secularist agenda. As for supporting an aggressive kaafir entity, than that depends on the type of support and neither of us are qualified.
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