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Old 04-03-2009, 04:07 PM   #13
LarryRda

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Brother, you wrote that he adheres to a party which is inherently "secular". Our scholars said that those who disestablish the necessity of shariah are from the kufaar. Did I misunderstand what you were saying or are you saying that adhering to, promoting or working towards secularism - and away from shareeah - is not kufr? I'm not defending the brother who called this man a kaafir, I know little about him and laymen shouldn't be giving verdicts anyways, but how is your defense even valid when you say it doesn't matter how secular so-and-so is? Turkey bans hijaab - this is outright kufr, indisputable, in it's secularism.

My comment is not about the man or takfeer directed at him, who I frankly view as being on the side of Pakistaan, albeit in a weak and cowardly manner, but about your defending of his party's secularist agenda. As for supporting an aggressive kaafir entity, than that depends on the type of support and neither of us are qualified.


ur exaggerating the matter

brother statement clearly shows that he was talking in general

Prophet said which nearly means, " the person who reads quran, namaz towards our khibla, and eats our zabiha etc.. is from us "

based on this we should consider him muslim, apart from this we cant call anybody kafir unless some kufr is proven

based on this Munir says we shouldnt call him kafir, even though he is secularist, u cant compare turkish act with ANP party

and even no comment of Munir prove that he is supporting the secularist aggenda or something, if i am missing something, plz show me the comment
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