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Old 10-19-2010, 10:51 PM   #1
Kemapreedasse

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Default Allegations against Sayyadina Mu'awiyah (RA) and Ghurmis
Assalamu'alaikum

Qouting Rafidhi site:

Baladhuri records:

وحدثني إسحاق وبكر بن الهيثم قالا حدثنا عبد الرزاق بن همام انبأنا معمر عن ابن طاوس عن أبيه عن عبد الله بن عمرو بن العاص قال: كنت عند النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال: يطلع عليكم من هذا الفج رجل يموت على غير ملتي، قال: وكنت تركت أبي قد وضع له وضوء، فكنت كحابس البول مخافة أن يجيء، قال: فطلع معاوية فقال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم : هو هذا

Ishaq and Bakr bin Haytham from Abdurazaq bin Hamam from Mu'amar from Ibn Taous from Taous bin Kisan from Abdullah Ibn Amr ibn Al-'as who stated: 'I was sitting with the Prophet of Allah (s) when He (s) said: 'A man will come out of this mountain pass, who will die and he will be outside my nation (Islam)'. I had left behind my father there for wudhu, and I feared, as if holding back my urine, that he would be the one to come, but Mu'awiyah came out. The Prophet (s) said: 'He is the one'.
Ansab al-Ashraf, Volume 2 page 120

Ishaq bin Abi Israel: Ibn Hajar said: 'Seduq' (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p79), Dahabi said: 'Thiqah' (Al-Kashif, v1 p234). Abdulrazaq bin Hamam: Ibn Hajar said: 'Thiqah' (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p599), Dahabi said: 'Thiqah' (Siar alam alnubala, v9 p563). Mu'amar bin Rashid: Ibn Hajar said: 'Thiqah Thabt' (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p202), Dahabi said: 'Hujja' (Tazkirat al-Hufaz, v1 p190). Abdullah bin Taous: Ibn Hajar said: 'Thiqah' (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p503), Dahabi said: 'Thiqah' (Siar alam alnubala, v6, p103). Taous bin Kisan: Ibn Hajar said: 'Thiqah' (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p448), Dahabi said: 'He had a great magnificence' (Tazkirat al-Hufaz, v1 p90). Abdullah bin Amro bin al-Sas: A Sahabi. Moreover, Hafiz Ahmad bin al-Sidiq said about this tradition: 'Sahih according to Muslim's condition' (Jawnat al-Attar, v2 p154) This is the narration which the likes of Abu Bakr Ibn Shihab Al-Alawi Al-Hadhrami, and his student Ibn Aqeel Al-Alawi, and then Ahmed Al-Ghumari and his likes, which include Hasan As-Saqqaf, used to propogate their deviant view regarding Hz Mu'awiyah [RA]. Hasan As-Saqqaf mentioned this in his notes on "Al-Utb Al-Jameel" of Ibn Aqeel (pg.25), and qouted Ahmed Al-Ghumari where he declared this narration to be authentic based on the condition of Muslim (not Bukhari as someone mentioned here), and he also insulted scholars who reported this without mentioning the specific name in hadith, that they did so based on their Nasibi madhhab. It would be really interesting to know the view of Mahmud Sa'eed Mamduh, another shi'i tafdhili.

The first problem in the hadith is Abdur-Razzaq who, although a Imam and Hafiz, got confused in his later days, and anything which he narrated in his later life, and it doesn't exist in his book, then it is doubtful. Surely his book doesn't contain this report. I'll add some qoutes and other problem in narration some other time.
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