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**RooxiaNof** · 05-28-2011, 02:35 AM

salam well wisher,
it is really unfortunate that i provided you with tradition in history backed by hadith book references and yet you demand authenticity. brother, what more can i provide you with. this claim that history is filled with weak narration, well history gave the premise to hadith. ibn hisham, ibn saad were historians first them muhaddith. imam bukhari wrote history tarikh al kabir as well. the western world learnt history as a science from muslims and u feel history is inauthentic. what about the sirah of prophet(saw). it is history. then all sirah books be thrown into bins. history gave us the insight into origin of islam. hadith as a collection is history also. both follow the same science of narration. furthermore, hadith collection remains on fallacy more than history.
here both hadith and history are in opposition to amir muawiya,s stands(ra)

i hope the truth dawns on you brother.

history reports when in any way trying to condemn a noble sahabi of prophet(saw0 or any sahabi of Prophet(saw) should be thoroughly scrutinized. When cant just blindly accept it. And historians themselve stated that what they bring in their books needs to be verified. So dont try to fool your ownself and others.

And it is well known fact that shias(narrators) have fabricated reports of histroy , every talib ul ilm knows this basic but it seems you are far away from truth.

05-28-2011, 02:35 AM	#33
RooxiaNof Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 552 Senior Member	salam well wisher, it is really unfortunate that i provided you with tradition in history backed by hadith book references and yet you demand authenticity. brother, what more can i provide you with. this claim that history is filled with weak narration, well history gave the premise to hadith. ibn hisham, ibn saad were historians first them muhaddith. imam bukhari wrote history tarikh al kabir as well. the western world learnt history as a science from muslims and u feel history is inauthentic. what about the sirah of prophet(saw). it is history. then all sirah books be thrown into bins. history gave us the insight into origin of islam. hadith as a collection is history also. both follow the same science of narration. furthermore, hadith collection remains on fallacy more than history. here both hadith and history are in opposition to amir muawiya,s stands(ra) i hope the truth dawns on you brother. history reports when in any way trying to condemn a noble sahabi of prophet(saw0 or any sahabi of Prophet(saw) should be thoroughly scrutinized. When cant just blindly accept it. And historians themselve stated that what they bring in their books needs to be verified. So dont try to fool your ownself and others. And it is well known fact that shias(narrators) have fabricated reports of histroy , every talib ul ilm knows this basic but it seems you are far away from truth.
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