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**parurorges** · 05-19-2011, 05:25 AM

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته۔
Could you please bring forward the original matn of this ̣hadīth?

Furthermore, could you please provide commentary from major scholars about this ̣hadīth?

Trying to interpret ạhādīth on ones own and furthermore trying to do so based on mere translations is nothing but madness and dangerous for ones Dīn.

الله أعلم۔

1-I provided the original Matn in Arabic from "Al Targheeb wal Tarheeb" 1/352 for al-Munthiri:
"عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما قال من ترك الجمعة ثلاث جمع متواليات فقد نبذ الإسلام وراء ظهره"

2-The Hadith does not say "Kaffir", it says "discarded Islam behind his Back" which is the closest thing to what the brother requested.

3-The Hadith is Sahih.

4-The Hadith is Mawquf to Ibn al-'Abbas (ra) who does not attribute it to the Prophet SAWS and here scholars differed:

Some said it is the Ijtihad of Ibn 'Abbas (ra) and his own words, others said it has the ruling of the Marfu'u to the Prophet SAWS as There is no room for Ijtihad in this matter.

5-This Hadith is gathered with the others attributed to the Prophet SAWS which I have provided in the previous post and there is no ruling of Takfeer.

05-19-2011, 05:25 AM	#13
parurorges Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته۔ Could you please bring forward the original matn of this ̣hadīth? Furthermore, could you please provide commentary from major scholars about this ̣hadīth? Trying to interpret ạhādīth on ones own and furthermore trying to do so based on mere translations is nothing but madness and dangerous for ones Dīn. الله أعلم۔ 1-I provided the original Matn in Arabic from "Al Targheeb wal Tarheeb" 1/352 for al-Munthiri: "عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما قال من ترك الجمعة ثلاث جمع متواليات فقد نبذ الإسلام وراء ظهره" 2-The Hadith does not say "Kaffir", it says "discarded Islam behind his Back" which is the closest thing to what the brother requested. 3-The Hadith is Sahih. 4-The Hadith is Mawquf to Ibn al-'Abbas (ra) who does not attribute it to the Prophet SAWS and here scholars differed: Some said it is the Ijtihad of Ibn 'Abbas (ra) and his own words, others said it has the ruling of the Marfu'u to the Prophet SAWS as There is no room for Ijtihad in this matter. 5-This Hadith is gathered with the others attributed to the Prophet SAWS which I have provided in the previous post and there is no ruling of Takfeer.
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