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**f6HLLFcw** · 12-18-2010, 03:16 AM

This is what my recently turned murtad brother has to say, please can you answer in detail? Jazakum Allah.

"Look sis, I'm not an Atheist, but an Agnostic. So you should know that I don't deny that God might not exist. The article you sent me was aimed at Atheists, and I've read it when I was a Muslim. I've read it again, and the sole aim of that article is only one thing:

"There must be a cause behind something"

I ask you, how can you be certain that the Islamic God is the cause behind something? How do you know that the Islamic God is the cause of the universe? Say if you're wrong, and it is the Christain God? Or the Jewish God? Or the Sikh God? Or the Hindu Gods? Or the Greek Gods?

Don't you see, that each religion has it's evidence in their own right? The only reason why you see the Islamic God as the cause, is because you're a Muslim. That is also why you see evidences from Islam only.

I ask you to please provide proof that your religion is correct. How do you know you are right? What proofs of your religion can you show me? I am open minded, and I will be glad to see your claims.

Open your own mind."

Murtads tend to be irrational and you often can't reason with them. I ask you, how can you be certain that the Islamic God is the cause behind something? How do you know that the Islamic God is the cause of the universe? Say if you're wrong, and it is the Christain God? Or the Jewish God? Or the Sikh God? Or the Hindu Gods? Or the Greek Gods? Because the Qur'an is a literary miracle and Prophet Muhammad (saw) was a walking Qur'an and achieved things in his life unrivaled by any other founder of a religion.

The Qur'an also contains details about things which are highly unlikely to be known by any Arab merchant, literate or illiterate, in the 7th century. That Rasulullah (saw) was unlettered is even more of a testament to the miraculous nature of his message.

The Qur'an's compilation and preservation is a miracle of historical science, and the Muslims' pioneering of the empirical scientific method is the bedrock upon which all of modern society is based.

The sciences of Hadith which helped lead to these developments are probably the first major authentic historical record of the modern era. They also document numerous prophecies by Muhammad (saw) which have turned out to be accurate (even Wikipedia has a cursory listing of the major ones) with very few (to none) that have turned out to be inaccurate. The proper measure of a prophet is the ratio of accurate prophecies to inaccurate, with anything definitively being ruled out as inaccurate (if anything remains possible or has not yet come to pass, it isn't ruled out). Prophet Muhammad (saw) has no equal with regards to this among any other human being in recorded history.

The contributions to civilization (in general) by Islamic civilization is also a testament unto itself. Numerous advances in economics, welfare, military, and social reforms...

All of this happened simultaneously, rather all at once, as soon as Islam showed up on the world scene way back in the 7th century. Unlike other religions and civilizations, religiosity went hand in hand with worldly knowledge and development in Islam. Islamic thinkers and scientists were devout Muslims. As opposed to Greeks... Aristotle and the rest believed in one God, not the Greek pantheon. Or other major thinkers and scientists, many of whom abandon their religion when delving into the worldly sciences. Those who do not are the exception, whereas they are the rule in Islam.

If someone wishes to deny the otherworldly basis for Islam despite all this, there is little hope for them.

EDIT: One other thing. The Jewish and Christian God is Allah (aside from those who worship Jesus). The question there is of prophets (why Muhammad (saw) is the true last Prophet instead of Musa (as) or Isa (as) and all of the above is enough grounds to give Islam the edge in any comparison). After all, Islam had a Golden Age to rival any in human history. Christianity never had a Golden Age. They had a Dark Ages. Western civilization was in a Golden Age before Christendom (the Roman Empire) and after (Rennaisance, Enlightenment, modern day). So much for Christianity. Judaism is an exclusive club and not an option for most. It bears the most similarity to Islam aside from some philosophical/spiritual differences in the tone of the relationship between God and man in both religions (Islam focuses more on love of Allah and fear of Allah while many Jews I've encountered pride themselves on how they do not fear Him). If you've narrowed it down to the God of Abraham, Islam is without a doubt the Abrahamic faith still left intact today.

12-18-2010, 03:16 AM	#18
f6HLLFcw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 538 Senior Member	This is what my recently turned murtad brother has to say, please can you answer in detail? Jazakum Allah. "Look sis, I'm not an Atheist, but an Agnostic. So you should know that I don't deny that God might not exist. The article you sent me was aimed at Atheists, and I've read it when I was a Muslim. I've read it again, and the sole aim of that article is only one thing: "There must be a cause behind something" I ask you, how can you be certain that the Islamic God is the cause behind something? How do you know that the Islamic God is the cause of the universe? Say if you're wrong, and it is the Christain God? Or the Jewish God? Or the Sikh God? Or the Hindu Gods? Or the Greek Gods? Don't you see, that each religion has it's evidence in their own right? The only reason why you see the Islamic God as the cause, is because you're a Muslim. That is also why you see evidences from Islam only. I ask you to please provide proof that your religion is correct. How do you know you are right? What proofs of your religion can you show me? I am open minded, and I will be glad to see your claims. Open your own mind." Murtads tend to be irrational and you often can't reason with them. I ask you, how can you be certain that the Islamic God is the cause behind something? How do you know that the Islamic God is the cause of the universe? Say if you're wrong, and it is the Christain God? Or the Jewish God? Or the Sikh God? Or the Hindu Gods? Or the Greek Gods? Because the Qur'an is a literary miracle and Prophet Muhammad (saw) was a walking Qur'an and achieved things in his life unrivaled by any other founder of a religion. The Qur'an also contains details about things which are highly unlikely to be known by any Arab merchant, literate or illiterate, in the 7th century. That Rasulullah (saw) was unlettered is even more of a testament to the miraculous nature of his message. The Qur'an's compilation and preservation is a miracle of historical science, and the Muslims' pioneering of the empirical scientific method is the bedrock upon which all of modern society is based. The sciences of Hadith which helped lead to these developments are probably the first major authentic historical record of the modern era. They also document numerous prophecies by Muhammad (saw) which have turned out to be accurate (even Wikipedia has a cursory listing of the major ones) with very few (to none) that have turned out to be inaccurate. The proper measure of a prophet is the ratio of accurate prophecies to inaccurate, with anything definitively being ruled out as inaccurate (if anything remains possible or has not yet come to pass, it isn't ruled out). Prophet Muhammad (saw) has no equal with regards to this among any other human being in recorded history. The contributions to civilization (in general) by Islamic civilization is also a testament unto itself. Numerous advances in economics, welfare, military, and social reforms... All of this happened simultaneously, rather all at once, as soon as Islam showed up on the world scene way back in the 7th century. Unlike other religions and civilizations, religiosity went hand in hand with worldly knowledge and development in Islam. Islamic thinkers and scientists were devout Muslims. As opposed to Greeks... Aristotle and the rest believed in one God, not the Greek pantheon. Or other major thinkers and scientists, many of whom abandon their religion when delving into the worldly sciences. Those who do not are the exception, whereas they are the rule in Islam. If someone wishes to deny the otherworldly basis for Islam despite all this, there is little hope for them. EDIT: One other thing. The Jewish and Christian God is Allah (aside from those who worship Jesus). The question there is of prophets (why Muhammad (saw) is the true last Prophet instead of Musa (as) or Isa (as) and all of the above is enough grounds to give Islam the edge in any comparison). After all, Islam had a Golden Age to rival any in human history. Christianity never had a Golden Age. They had a Dark Ages. Western civilization was in a Golden Age before Christendom (the Roman Empire) and after (Rennaisance, Enlightenment, modern day). So much for Christianity. Judaism is an exclusive club and not an option for most. It bears the most similarity to Islam aside from some philosophical/spiritual differences in the tone of the relationship between God and man in both religions (Islam focuses more on love of Allah and fear of Allah while many Jews I've encountered pride themselves on how they do not fear Him). If you've narrowed it down to the God of Abraham, Islam is without a doubt the Abrahamic faith still left intact today.
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