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Old 05-27-2011, 04:00 PM   #21
Yarikoff

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salam,
the aqeedah of muslims should be and is, at least for those who are on right path, that prophet muhammad (saw) was guided by Allah in his actions always. a logical conclusion regarding the merits of Ali and muawiya is that if both were merited by Prophet. didnt the Prophet know about future events? according to hadith by abu huraira Prophet highlighted all the things that ummah will pass through. he highlighted the batlle of siffin in these words,
1/ ammar bin yasir will be killed by a rebellious group. the tradition is found with correct chain of transmission from bukhari, muslimetc.
2/ my ummah will experience fitnah and those with Ali are on right path. kanzul ammal.

fourteen centuries later we know about this hadith and amir muawiya didnt knew about these? some people say that he was a mujjadid. well didnt the mujjadid knew of this hadith.
ur allegation that wat abt hazrat ummul momineen Ayesha (ra) and Talha wa Tubair "(ra)
well as i said u need to study more and contemplate on truth.
1/ ummul momineen repented over her actions and in the first place didnt want to fight with Ali. it was not personal grudge against Ali. did she abuse Ali? no. she can be reffered as case of incorrect ijtihad as truthful reports about the killing of Uthman(ra) WERE DENIED TO HER.
2/ BOTH TALHA AND ZUBAIR LEFT THE BATTLE FIELD AND WERE KILLED BY MARWAN AND SABAees respectively.

REGARDING AMIR MUAYIA(RA) these conditions are missing. he never repented his stand, even though his supporters like Abdullah bin umro bin aas (ra) repented his stand till the last breath of his life.

regarding your hadith about the merit of amir muawiya. yes he was a sahabi, but was a later convert to islam. infact he was in the companionship of prophet (saw) for two years only and could not benefit like abu huraira etc.

without getting too lenghty let me cite example of the imam of rijal, the writer of the best commentary on bukhari sharif, imam ibn hajar asqalani. he attested that there was no hadith in praise of muawiya{{(see fatah al bari)

besides a fact to contemplate is that muawiya stayed after the fall of mecca in mecca not medina while as the revelation continued in medina and most of the quran was revealed. caN ALI AND MUAWIYA BE BOTH MERITIOUS AND FIGHT FOR A MATTER WHERE IJTIHAD IS NOT REQUIRED. WERENT SAHABAS MEANT AS EXAMPLES.


i will continue to refute your subjective and illogical answers step by step , so wait
wasalam
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