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**Yarikoff** · 05-27-2011, 05:24 PM

Salam aleykum,

this is NOT a simple text! This is pretty complicated text, I am sorry ask someone else like brother Abbe maybe or some other Arab speakers.

wellwisher,
the narrations i provided to you are not weak in the least. regarding the party of hadrat Ali (ra) and his stands in fitna . the Prophet of mercy and knowledge(ra) clearly said:-
1/ Ammar will be killed by a baghi(rebellious) group.
ibn saad vol 3 p253, tabari vol 4 p 27, ibn atir tarikh al kamil vol 3 p 165, albiday ibn kathir vol 7 p 270, ibn hajar asqalani tehzeeb ul tehzeeb volk 7 p 210, narrated again by ibn jajar in isabah vol 2 p506, as also narrated by sahih bukhari, sahih muslim, tirmizi, nisai, behaqi, musnad ahmed etc.

2/ my ummah will experience fitna and ali will be on the right path( kanzul ammal hadith no 33106)

in fact ahl sunnah support the stand of Ali. ibn taimiyah wrote in minhaju us sunnah
" ahl sunnah are real shia of ali not rafidis who slander the sahaba. ahl sunnah supported ali in all his wars "

the same words were used by shah abdul aziz muhaddith dehalvi in refutation of shia allegations in taufa athna asharia.
now ur cacophony that what about the stand of Ayesha (ra). let me point the difference:-

hadrat Aisha was asked by qais ibn saad(ra) on the caliphate of Ali. she replied it was a correct decision. if you analyze the battle of jamal. hadrat aisha wanted to go back after the dogs barked at Hawab as she had the Prophet(saw) hear about the incident and ordered his wives to refrain from it. but she was kept in the dark by many enemies of ali and hence marched forward. the army of aisha(ra) was uncontrollable and didnt even heed aisha and others which is vouched by the fact that even after talha and zubair repented their stand the army controlled its battle against ali. furthermore hadrat aisha repented her stand throughout her life.

05-27-2011, 05:24 PM	#22
Yarikoff Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 415 Senior Member	Salam aleykum, this is NOT a simple text! This is pretty complicated text, I am sorry ask someone else like brother Abbe maybe or some other Arab speakers. wellwisher, the narrations i provided to you are not weak in the least. regarding the party of hadrat Ali (ra) and his stands in fitna . the Prophet of mercy and knowledge(ra) clearly said:- 1/ Ammar will be killed by a baghi(rebellious) group. ibn saad vol 3 p253, tabari vol 4 p 27, ibn atir tarikh al kamil vol 3 p 165, albiday ibn kathir vol 7 p 270, ibn hajar asqalani tehzeeb ul tehzeeb volk 7 p 210, narrated again by ibn jajar in isabah vol 2 p506, as also narrated by sahih bukhari, sahih muslim, tirmizi, nisai, behaqi, musnad ahmed etc. 2/ my ummah will experience fitna and ali will be on the right path( kanzul ammal hadith no 33106) in fact ahl sunnah support the stand of Ali. ibn taimiyah wrote in minhaju us sunnah " ahl sunnah are real shia of ali not rafidis who slander the sahaba. ahl sunnah supported ali in all his wars " the same words were used by shah abdul aziz muhaddith dehalvi in refutation of shia allegations in taufa athna asharia. now ur cacophony that what about the stand of Ayesha (ra). let me point the difference:- hadrat Aisha was asked by qais ibn saad(ra) on the caliphate of Ali. she replied it was a correct decision. if you analyze the battle of jamal. hadrat aisha wanted to go back after the dogs barked at Hawab as she had the Prophet(saw) hear about the incident and ordered his wives to refrain from it. but she was kept in the dark by many enemies of ali and hence marched forward. the army of aisha(ra) was uncontrollable and didnt even heed aisha and others which is vouched by the fact that even after talha and zubair repented their stand the army controlled its battle against ali. furthermore hadrat aisha repented her stand throughout her life.
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