Finally, you classes yourself as Athari, and your previous posts lead to me to believe that you mean by that the Salafi interpretation of Athari. If that's the case, I would suggest you read this topic to learn of some of the beliefs you are ascribing to yourself, and why they are incomprehensible: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...a-Salafi-s-God I'm not asking or advising you to become an Ashari, and in fact I feel that involving laypeople into these long-winded debates on complex aspects of doctrine is one of the largest fitnas facing our Ummah today, but I do want to make sure that you have a good understanding of what you are ascribing yourself to.