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**Clielldub** · 04-16-2011, 05:06 AM

brother tripolysunni, i respect you opinions. you know why? because you are speaking from your experience from BACK THEN. whereas im speaking from my experience/knowledge from NOW. there is a huge difference. when you were around they were a good force, so you continue to see them in that light. but so did Jesus/Isa (AM) until many of his own followers betrayed him, and so did Hussein until his own followers betrayed him.

you have NOT been betrayed. but those who are still in gaza, they have been betrayed. so they have eneded up in revolt against hamas. that is all there is to it. its not my knowledge against yours. your knowledge is right, but so is mine. Hamas went from good to bad. brother, just pray that they STOP affiliating with shia/iran, rather then making an excuse that there is some sort of justification for it. we can end our discussion on this note. take care.

I say the propaganda is the one made by those other untrustworthy groups who god only knows where they crawled out from. As for Jund-Ansarullah whose leader Abdullatif Musa had suspicious relations. Well He declared an islamic emirate in gaza (With him as the Ameer) and he had armed men around him then he attacked Hamas severely in his Sermon and called for the armed Hamas forces to hand over their weapons and join him,. then he said: "We will fight all those who fight us." They then posted on their official website that they only follow Abdullatif Musa as the Caliph and Ameer of Gaza. this same group had attacked an Israeli position a few weeks earlier... with horses so the young Men were shot and killed before they reached the fence.
Link:http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3...66B7B63C6A.htm

As for the sexchange argument, you used it to show me how Hamas is a follower of Iran... it's not a good argument that's all I am saying.

... I am sick of this, This is my last reply to anything.

i dont like most of these groups either, neither did i like how Jund Ansar Allah declared their state. but it was just a natural response to the hypocracies (not rly being islamic) and unholy alliances (with iran/hezbollah) of hamas. but what Hamas did was unforgivable. if someone on THIS very forum were to criticize you or even curse you. would you rly want to kill him?? i know you wont. Then why would hamas?? two reasons, one is they didnt want to lose influence/power, and the other is to satisfy their safavid partners. but because of this, we will only see more and more gorups rivalling or breaking-off from Hamas. unfortunately, this is also bad because salafi-extremism is increasing because of that.

on hand you have you have ghair-muqallid shia-friendly Hamas, and on the other you have ghair-muqallid increasingly-fascist salafis. and on the other foot there is Fatah, who are no better alternative either..... by the way, if you really want to see Hamas' opinion regarding shia or iran. forget me, just hop on to their english forum and ask them about it. that should settle it. take care, brother.

04-16-2011, 05:06 AM	#26
Clielldub Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 518 Senior Member	brother tripolysunni, i respect you opinions. you know why? because you are speaking from your experience from BACK THEN. whereas im speaking from my experience/knowledge from NOW. there is a huge difference. when you were around they were a good force, so you continue to see them in that light. but so did Jesus/Isa (AM) until many of his own followers betrayed him, and so did Hussein until his own followers betrayed him. you have NOT been betrayed. but those who are still in gaza, they have been betrayed. so they have eneded up in revolt against hamas. that is all there is to it. its not my knowledge against yours. your knowledge is right, but so is mine. Hamas went from good to bad. brother, just pray that they STOP affiliating with shia/iran, rather then making an excuse that there is some sort of justification for it. we can end our discussion on this note. take care. I say the propaganda is the one made by those other untrustworthy groups who god only knows where they crawled out from. As for Jund-Ansarullah whose leader Abdullatif Musa had suspicious relations. Well He declared an islamic emirate in gaza (With him as the Ameer) and he had armed men around him then he attacked Hamas severely in his Sermon and called for the armed Hamas forces to hand over their weapons and join him,. then he said: "We will fight all those who fight us." They then posted on their official website that they only follow Abdullatif Musa as the Caliph and Ameer of Gaza. this same group had attacked an Israeli position a few weeks earlier... with horses so the young Men were shot and killed before they reached the fence. Link:http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3...66B7B63C6A.htm As for the sexchange argument, you used it to show me how Hamas is a follower of Iran... it's not a good argument that's all I am saying. ... I am sick of this, This is my last reply to anything. i dont like most of these groups either, neither did i like how Jund Ansar Allah declared their state. but it was just a natural response to the hypocracies (not rly being islamic) and unholy alliances (with iran/hezbollah) of hamas. but what Hamas did was unforgivable. if someone on THIS very forum were to criticize you or even curse you. would you rly want to kill him?? i know you wont. Then why would hamas?? two reasons, one is they didnt want to lose influence/power, and the other is to satisfy their safavid partners. but because of this, we will only see more and more gorups rivalling or breaking-off from Hamas. unfortunately, this is also bad because salafi-extremism is increasing because of that. on hand you have you have ghair-muqallid shia-friendly Hamas, and on the other you have ghair-muqallid increasingly-fascist salafis. and on the other foot there is Fatah, who are no better alternative either..... by the way, if you really want to see Hamas' opinion regarding shia or iran. forget me, just hop on to their english forum and ask them about it. that should settle it. take care, brother.
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