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**phernikas** · 03-22-2011, 03:18 PM

Then the reaction started to take its natural course of elevation in favor of the Hashaweeyah and the Nawaasib and the suppression of the Theoreticians and the Mu’tazilah, while Ahlus-Sunnah from the Fuqahaa and the Muhadditheen were continuing work in the sciences without a scar or noise.
Two questions on this.

First:
I thought the Theoreticians were the Mu'tazila, but here it seems he makes a distinction, mentioning both of them. Who exactly are the Theoreticians?

Most of those engaged in debating the Mulhidin were Mu'tazilah, not all, thus he mentioned both.

Second:
Is this sentence "and the suppression of the Theoreticians and the Mu’tazilah" supposed to mean "and the suppression of the Theoreticians and the Mu’tazilah came to an end"? Otherwise i don't get what is mean

It means that the natural reaction to the Mu'tazilah having the upper-hand and suppressing the hashawiyyah etc, was that the Mu'tazilah would then become suppressed while the Hashawiyyha would come into favour with those in power.

Also, this part "without a scar or noise" should be translated as "without any uproar or clamour".

Are you sure that you would manage to accurately translate this article? The Arabic is extremly difficult, while this translation is very unclear.

For example, what did you understand this passage to mean:
"And Banoo Umayyah were not alike in vigilance to the Rightly Guided (Khulafaa) regarding the creed of the Muslims unless it infringed upon their rule. So the first to be deceived by them were the Shee’ah. But how quick they were to turn back from that due to the Mu’tazilah’s debate with them. However, it didn’t last with them as it lasted between the Hashaweeyah[xiv] narrators while Basrah was the Metropolis of opinions and sects."

03-22-2011, 03:18 PM	#13
phernikas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	Then the reaction started to take its natural course of elevation in favor of the Hashaweeyah and the Nawaasib and the suppression of the Theoreticians and the Mu’tazilah, while Ahlus-Sunnah from the Fuqahaa and the Muhadditheen were continuing work in the sciences without a scar or noise. Two questions on this. First: I thought the Theoreticians were the Mu'tazila, but here it seems he makes a distinction, mentioning both of them. Who exactly are the Theoreticians? Most of those engaged in debating the Mulhidin were Mu'tazilah, not all, thus he mentioned both. Second: Is this sentence "and the suppression of the Theoreticians and the Mu’tazilah" supposed to mean "and the suppression of the Theoreticians and the Mu’tazilah came to an end"? Otherwise i don't get what is mean It means that the natural reaction to the Mu'tazilah having the upper-hand and suppressing the hashawiyyah etc, was that the Mu'tazilah would then become suppressed while the Hashawiyyha would come into favour with those in power. Also, this part "without a scar or noise" should be translated as "without any uproar or clamour". Are you sure that you would manage to accurately translate this article? The Arabic is extremly difficult, while this translation is very unclear. For example, what did you understand this passage to mean: "And Banoo Umayyah were not alike in vigilance to the Rightly Guided (Khulafaa) regarding the creed of the Muslims unless it infringed upon their rule. So the first to be deceived by them were the Shee’ah. But how quick they were to turn back from that due to the Mu’tazilah’s debate with them. However, it didn’t last with them as it lasted between the Hashaweeyah[xiv] narrators while Basrah was the Metropolis of opinions and sects."
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