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**Heopretg2006** · 05-01-2011, 04:19 AM

Shaikhl Islam Ibne taymia ra has written a whole book on the subject, explaing most of the karamat of awlia on his theory of " Makhdoomiyyat", I am going to pray salat, then i may write some more details about it.

Uhm, so according to what you posted in the next post, wouldn't this mean that most/many of the karamat in reality aren't really such, or was this just to explain the means through which some of the karamat happen?

I mean, Hafiz Ibn Tayimiyyah wrote this in order to show the "deception" of those which we shall call "awliya' as-Shaytan" and debunk them showing that in reality it's just about Jinn, or rather wrote this to explain the way, the means, the asbab through wich some Karamat (which are really such, karamat of awliya') take place?

I don't understand it that's a critic/debunking or just an explaination..

Sorry for interrupting the talk of giants, I would just like to take advantage of your presence here and understand better.

05-01-2011, 04:19 AM	#36
Heopretg2006 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 531 Senior Member	Shaikhl Islam Ibne taymia ra has written a whole book on the subject, explaing most of the karamat of awlia on his theory of " Makhdoomiyyat", I am going to pray salat, then i may write some more details about it. Uhm, so according to what you posted in the next post, wouldn't this mean that most/many of the karamat in reality aren't really such, or was this just to explain the means through which some of the karamat happen? I mean, Hafiz Ibn Tayimiyyah wrote this in order to show the "deception" of those which we shall call "awliya' as-Shaytan" and debunk them showing that in reality it's just about Jinn, or rather wrote this to explain the way, the means, the asbab through wich some Karamat (which are really such, karamat of awliya') take place? I don't understand it that's a critic/debunking or just an explaination.. Sorry for interrupting the talk of giants, I would just like to take advantage of your presence here and understand better.
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