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**herrdwq** · 05-01-2011, 05:03 AM

Uhm, so according to what you posted in the next post, wouldn't this mean that most/many of the karamat in reality aren't really such, or was this just to explain the means through which some of the karamat happen?

I mean, Hafiz Ibn Tayimiyyah wrote this in order to show the "deception" of those which we shall call "awliya' as-Shaytan" and debunk them showing that in reality it's just about Jinn, or rather wrote this to explain the way, the means, the asbab through wich some Karamat (which are really such, karamat of awliya') take place?

I don't understand it that's a critic/debunking or just an explaination..

Sorry for interrupting the talk of giants, I would just like to take advantage of your presence here and understand better.

You are welcome umar,i was just explaining my position to shaikh Fusoos as my status being a qalandar was under threat

So i thought i should take refuge behind Hazrat Shaikh ul Islam RA.
Yes, you are right,shaikh is mostly writing about those who are not real Awlia,but generally Hazrat Shaikh ul islam ra is not considered too sympathetic towards sufia either,so
his targets might be a bit wider than just fake sufi,s.wallaho alam.
One thing i know, Hazrat Shaikh ul Islam was respectful to shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani ra,and has even acknowledged his Karamat.It means he did not include The real awlia under this catagery
And Umar, Ahle sunnat have consensus that " Karamat of Awlia are Haq"The reason being Karamat is not from wali, it is from Allah swt to honour his wali.(as word karamat itself means:an honour),so we don,t need to find asbab behind it,because it is produced by musabbab ul asbab.
you are not coming between two giants, but a giant (shaikh fusoos) and a qalandar rabbit.
Rabbit welcomes you,save yourself from the giant.

05-01-2011, 05:03 AM	#37
herrdwq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	Uhm, so according to what you posted in the next post, wouldn't this mean that most/many of the karamat in reality aren't really such, or was this just to explain the means through which some of the karamat happen? I mean, Hafiz Ibn Tayimiyyah wrote this in order to show the "deception" of those which we shall call "awliya' as-Shaytan" and debunk them showing that in reality it's just about Jinn, or rather wrote this to explain the way, the means, the asbab through wich some Karamat (which are really such, karamat of awliya') take place? I don't understand it that's a critic/debunking or just an explaination.. Sorry for interrupting the talk of giants, I would just like to take advantage of your presence here and understand better. You are welcome umar,i was just explaining my position to shaikh Fusoos as my status being a qalandar was under threat So i thought i should take refuge behind Hazrat Shaikh ul Islam RA. Yes, you are right,shaikh is mostly writing about those who are not real Awlia,but generally Hazrat Shaikh ul islam ra is not considered too sympathetic towards sufia either,so his targets might be a bit wider than just fake sufi,s.wallaho alam. One thing i know, Hazrat Shaikh ul Islam was respectful to shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani ra,and has even acknowledged his Karamat.It means he did not include The real awlia under this catagery And Umar, Ahle sunnat have consensus that " Karamat of Awlia are Haq"The reason being Karamat is not from wali, it is from Allah swt to honour his wali.(as word karamat itself means:an honour),so we don,t need to find asbab behind it,because it is produced by musabbab ul asbab. you are not coming between two giants, but a giant (shaikh fusoos) and a qalandar rabbit. Rabbit welcomes you,save yourself from the giant.
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