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**hoconnor6605** · 04-07-2011, 01:41 AM

This article is a slanted, propaganda piece designed to draw political distinctions and project conflict.

First, Egypt is a mess and has been for over 30 years. If so called sufis have been accepting of the mess that is Egypt, then they are undeserving of any consideration to be tied to the righteous shuyukh who they claim to follow.

Second, the worship of saints and shrines is shirk and unacceptable in Islam. Anyone who accepts this is openly in violation of Islam.

Third, if the reaction of so called sufis is to threaten violence to protect saint worship, then they are NOT sufis, rather they are defenders of shirk.

Fourth, the Egyptian people have to be educated on Islam again. And that should happen through the leadership of an Islamic state and amir. All Muslims should be together on this. Shrines, tombs, etc mean nothing compared to reviving Islam in the lives of 85 million Muslims.

Fifth, you have to ask yourself: is it better to see a society which implements Islam and practices and develops Islam in the lives of people, or is it better to stay as things are?

you are certainly right. i think the proper islamic groups need to step up inorder to counter both these salafis and these fake-sufis. problem is, in the middle-east the role of madhab (maliki, shafii) is decreasing more and more. thats why whenever people get frustrated with crimes/failures of society, the problems of israel, etc. they want to get religiously involved (or even jihad), they resort to salafism, or hamas, or ikhwan (all ghair-muqallids). there is no maliki, shafii groups that these people can turn to...

Exactly.

It's probably obvious by now to most people, but whenever a media piece references "Salafis," it is actually referring to fundamentalists, including Deobandis and other proper Sufi groups, and whenever they mention "Sufi," they actually mean people like Nazim Haqqani, or even worse in many cases.

brother, you are only assuming this (theyre not talking aboy deobandis; infact, i dont think there are many in egypt). if you read the media reports, both muslim or western sources. the salafis have definately been taking up a more profound role in the past few months. alot of anti-coptic sentiments are being spread around, and this is against islam. there has been several bombings aginst churches, attacks against christians, and not to mention attacks againt sufi places as well (both good sufis or bad)....

so i think if actual good-sufis or proper-muslims were to fight back (be it against the fake-sufis or salafis) as you thought, that would actually be the best option. otherwise, we are losing the battle of hearts and minds. cause its more efficient for these groups to subjugate someone using force/violence, then to do so using argument/winning-them-over. so we are slowly losing the battle under our own noses.

04-07-2011, 01:41 AM	#8
hoconnor6605 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	This article is a slanted, propaganda piece designed to draw political distinctions and project conflict. First, Egypt is a mess and has been for over 30 years. If so called sufis have been accepting of the mess that is Egypt, then they are undeserving of any consideration to be tied to the righteous shuyukh who they claim to follow. Second, the worship of saints and shrines is shirk and unacceptable in Islam. Anyone who accepts this is openly in violation of Islam. Third, if the reaction of so called sufis is to threaten violence to protect saint worship, then they are NOT sufis, rather they are defenders of shirk. Fourth, the Egyptian people have to be educated on Islam again. And that should happen through the leadership of an Islamic state and amir. All Muslims should be together on this. Shrines, tombs, etc mean nothing compared to reviving Islam in the lives of 85 million Muslims. Fifth, you have to ask yourself: is it better to see a society which implements Islam and practices and develops Islam in the lives of people, or is it better to stay as things are? you are certainly right. i think the proper islamic groups need to step up inorder to counter both these salafis and these fake-sufis. problem is, in the middle-east the role of madhab (maliki, shafii) is decreasing more and more. thats why whenever people get frustrated with crimes/failures of society, the problems of israel, etc. they want to get religiously involved (or even jihad), they resort to salafism, or hamas, or ikhwan (all ghair-muqallids). there is no maliki, shafii groups that these people can turn to... Exactly. It's probably obvious by now to most people, but whenever a media piece references "Salafis," it is actually referring to fundamentalists, including Deobandis and other proper Sufi groups, and whenever they mention "Sufi," they actually mean people like Nazim Haqqani, or even worse in many cases. brother, you are only assuming this (theyre not talking aboy deobandis; infact, i dont think there are many in egypt). if you read the media reports, both muslim or western sources. the salafis have definately been taking up a more profound role in the past few months. alot of anti-coptic sentiments are being spread around, and this is against islam. there has been several bombings aginst churches, attacks against christians, and not to mention attacks againt sufi places as well (both good sufis or bad).... so i think if actual good-sufis or proper-muslims were to fight back (be it against the fake-sufis or salafis) as you thought, that would actually be the best option. otherwise, we are losing the battle of hearts and minds. cause its more efficient for these groups to subjugate someone using force/violence, then to do so using argument/winning-them-over. so we are slowly losing the battle under our own noses.
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