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**Abanijo** · 04-14-2011, 05:59 AM

Salam

i'm interested in a community in America called "Islamville" i looked it up on wiki and am curious abt a couple of things.

Br. Mujahid Abdullah would probably be able to answer my questions.

my queries are...

1. is it associated with the "muslims of the americas" and is this larger organization an authentic (representative of sunni) organization and did it have a role in the death of rashad khalifa (lanatullahi alayh).

2. is it an authentic sufi community (i.e. no music but focusing on dhikr, ishsan, salah, halal income)?

3. why is it accused of being a terrorist training camp...have controversial shaykhs/mujahideen figures visited it?

4. is it a predominantly African American revert community? are other communities (i.e. immigrants) involved in it aswell?

5. what is their stance on issues like building large tombs for saints...do they disagree and say that building tombs is haram or are they for it?

6. what is their relationship like with the zaytuna guys (Hamza yusuf and co.) or deobandies (darul uloom madania and others)?

7. what exactly do the shapes on their banner (the red and green ones) mean/represent?

What are you the FBI???

Just kidding.

Answers:
1. We have no affiliation with jamat al fuqara - we have no association with James Williams, or other people involved in illegal criminal activities.

2. Yes - We are Qadri in tariqah, Hanafi in fiqh, Ashari in Aqeedah - no musical instruments, no dancing, no weirdo sufi stuff

3. Because we are upholding the sunnah of Rasoolullah

- because we have villages established for years where Sharia is the law of the land. Those who accuse us are nobodies - the US govt has removed us from the DoD terrorism watchlist - we invite them to come and visit our communities - we have full transperancy, and they are aware of our posiions and our mission in America, the land of our birth.

4. Our Jamat is predominateley African American, but not exclusicley - I am blonde haired blued eyed white boy for example and their is a also a large group of korean converts to strangely. The for the large population of African Americans is because it the late 70's early 80's our Sheikh came to the US, and his original mission was to teach the NOI about true Islam - when he got here he found a group of Muslims who blonged to what was called "the Dar movement" - these Muslims were basicly gangster Muslims who were trying to be sunnis, but were ver misguided and held some strange beleifs. Our Sheikh taught the sunni Islam and introduced them to tassawuf. These original followers were almost all African American or Puerto Rican - and they in turn had many many many kids (many of the elders have upwards of 20 - 40 children, no exageration). Thus many members of MOA are the off spring of those elders. by the 90's the racial divide in the US had disapeared and more and more people of varying heritages came to embrace Islam, like myself.

5. We dont build large tombs - each village has a graveyard, and many of the people in the graves are Walis, and they have indescript earth graves with no structures (we need to bulid better house for those who are alive, the dead dont need houses)

6. When we were in California, myself included, we used to hold joint functions with them, many of our children went their schools, overall we have had a good relationship with them, and still do.

7. This image is not uniquie to us - it is used for contemplation on the name of Allah, used various awrad - it is commonly seen amongst Qadris of the Sarwari order from the silsillah of Hz. Sultan Bahu.

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Abanijo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 413 Senior Member	Salam i'm interested in a community in America called "Islamville" i looked it up on wiki and am curious abt a couple of things. Br. Mujahid Abdullah would probably be able to answer my questions. my queries are... 1. is it associated with the "muslims of the americas" and is this larger organization an authentic (representative of sunni) organization and did it have a role in the death of rashad khalifa (lanatullahi alayh). 2. is it an authentic sufi community (i.e. no music but focusing on dhikr, ishsan, salah, halal income)? 3. why is it accused of being a terrorist training camp...have controversial shaykhs/mujahideen figures visited it? 4. is it a predominantly African American revert community? are other communities (i.e. immigrants) involved in it aswell? 5. what is their stance on issues like building large tombs for saints...do they disagree and say that building tombs is haram or are they for it? 6. what is their relationship like with the zaytuna guys (Hamza yusuf and co.) or deobandies (darul uloom madania and others)? 7. what exactly do the shapes on their banner (the red and green ones) mean/represent? What are you the FBI??? Just kidding. Answers: 1. We have no affiliation with jamat al fuqara - we have no association with James Williams, or other people involved in illegal criminal activities. 2. Yes - We are Qadri in tariqah, Hanafi in fiqh, Ashari in Aqeedah - no musical instruments, no dancing, no weirdo sufi stuff 3. Because we are upholding the sunnah of Rasoolullah - because we have villages established for years where Sharia is the law of the land. Those who accuse us are nobodies - the US govt has removed us from the DoD terrorism watchlist - we invite them to come and visit our communities - we have full transperancy, and they are aware of our posiions and our mission in America, the land of our birth. 4. Our Jamat is predominateley African American, but not exclusicley - I am blonde haired blued eyed white boy for example and their is a also a large group of korean converts to strangely. The for the large population of African Americans is because it the late 70's early 80's our Sheikh came to the US, and his original mission was to teach the NOI about true Islam - when he got here he found a group of Muslims who blonged to what was called "the Dar movement" - these Muslims were basicly gangster Muslims who were trying to be sunnis, but were ver misguided and held some strange beleifs. Our Sheikh taught the sunni Islam and introduced them to tassawuf. These original followers were almost all African American or Puerto Rican - and they in turn had many many many kids (many of the elders have upwards of 20 - 40 children, no exageration). Thus many members of MOA are the off spring of those elders. by the 90's the racial divide in the US had disapeared and more and more people of varying heritages came to embrace Islam, like myself. 5. We dont build large tombs - each village has a graveyard, and many of the people in the graves are Walis, and they have indescript earth graves with no structures (we need to bulid better house for those who are alive, the dead dont need houses) 6. When we were in California, myself included, we used to hold joint functions with them, many of our children went their schools, overall we have had a good relationship with them, and still do. 7. This image is not uniquie to us - it is used for contemplation on the name of Allah, used various awrad - it is commonly seen amongst Qadris of the Sarwari order from the silsillah of Hz. Sultan Bahu.
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