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**RealCHEAPsoftDOWNLOAD** · 04-14-2009, 12:21 PM

JazakumAllah khayran all. Brother yousuf, is the change about making a ring when reaching 'Shahada' part of Ibn Abidin's quote ?

Yes that is part of Ibn Abidin's quote. He writes in Raddul Muhtar:

كما ذكرت عباراتهم في رسالة سميتها [ رفع التردد في عقد الأصابع عند التشهد ] وحررت فيها أنه ليس لنا سوى قولين : الأول وهو المشهور في المذهب بسط الأصابع بدون إشارة .
الثاني بسط الأصابع إلى حين الشهادة ، فيعقد عندها ويرفع السبابة عند النفي ويضعها عند الإثبات ، وهذا ما اعتمده المتأخرون لثبوته عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم بالأحاديث الصحيحة ولصحة نقله عن أئمتنا الثلاثة
"...As I mentioned their quotes in my book, named: 'Raf'ut taraddud fi akdil asabi'i indat tashahhud'. And I wrote there that we have only two opinions in this issue. 1. And that's well known in our madhab, that is, to simply keep the fingers, without Ishara (without making ring and raising finger).
2. Keeping fingers spread until Shahada, then to make ring at that time, and raise forefinger at the time of Nafi (La Ilaha) and keeping it back at Isbat (Illallah). This is what Muta'akhirin have relied on, as it is proved from Prophet (sm) by Sahih ahadith, and as it is reported with truth from our three imams."

Then he writes in Raf'ut taraddud fi akdil asabi'i indat tashahhud:

و الصحيح المختار عند جمهور اصحابنا انه يضع كفيه علي فخذيه ثم عند وصوله الي كلمة التوحيد يعقد الخنصر و البنصر و يحلق الوسطي و الابهام و يشير بالمسبحة رافعا لها عند النفي و واضعا لها عند الاثبات ثم يستمر علي ذلك لانه ثبت العقد عند الاشارة بلا خلاف و لم يوجد امر بتغييره فالاصل بقاء الشيئ علي ما هو عليه و استصحابه الي اخر امره
"And the Sahih and chosen opinion among the most of our ulama is, to keep fingers on thigh, then upon reaching Kalima Tawhid (Ashhadu alla..), join little finger and ring finger, and make ring with thumb and middle finger, and point out with the index finger at Nafi (La ilaha), and keep it back at Isbat (Illallah). Then continue with this (to the end)..."
And do you've to keep the finger lowered before giving salaam and then bring it in the first position or keeping it that stretched while giving salaam ? After lowering your finger at Illallah, don't change it until the end of prayer. Keep your index finger that lowered stretched while salam also. Because ur salah ends after salam, not before it.

And Allah knows best.

04-14-2009, 12:21 PM	#9
RealCHEAPsoftDOWNLOAD Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 509 Senior Member	JazakumAllah khayran all. Brother yousuf, is the change about making a ring when reaching 'Shahada' part of Ibn Abidin's quote ? Yes that is part of Ibn Abidin's quote. He writes in Raddul Muhtar: كما ذكرت عباراتهم في رسالة سميتها [ رفع التردد في عقد الأصابع عند التشهد ] وحررت فيها أنه ليس لنا سوى قولين : الأول وهو المشهور في المذهب بسط الأصابع بدون إشارة . الثاني بسط الأصابع إلى حين الشهادة ، فيعقد عندها ويرفع السبابة عند النفي ويضعها عند الإثبات ، وهذا ما اعتمده المتأخرون لثبوته عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم بالأحاديث الصحيحة ولصحة نقله عن أئمتنا الثلاثة "...As I mentioned their quotes in my book, named: 'Raf'ut taraddud fi akdil asabi'i indat tashahhud'. And I wrote there that we have only two opinions in this issue. 1. And that's well known in our madhab, that is, to simply keep the fingers, without Ishara (without making ring and raising finger). 2. Keeping fingers spread until Shahada, then to make ring at that time, and raise forefinger at the time of Nafi (La Ilaha) and keeping it back at Isbat (Illallah). This is what Muta'akhirin have relied on, as it is proved from Prophet (sm) by Sahih ahadith, and as it is reported with truth from our three imams." Then he writes in Raf'ut taraddud fi akdil asabi'i indat tashahhud: و الصحيح المختار عند جمهور اصحابنا انه يضع كفيه علي فخذيه ثم عند وصوله الي كلمة التوحيد يعقد الخنصر و البنصر و يحلق الوسطي و الابهام و يشير بالمسبحة رافعا لها عند النفي و واضعا لها عند الاثبات ثم يستمر علي ذلك لانه ثبت العقد عند الاشارة بلا خلاف و لم يوجد امر بتغييره فالاصل بقاء الشيئ علي ما هو عليه و استصحابه الي اخر امره "And the Sahih and chosen opinion among the most of our ulama is, to keep fingers on thigh, then upon reaching Kalima Tawhid (Ashhadu alla..), join little finger and ring finger, and make ring with thumb and middle finger, and point out with the index finger at Nafi (La ilaha), and keep it back at Isbat (Illallah). Then continue with this (to the end)..." And do you've to keep the finger lowered before giving salaam and then bring it in the first position or keeping it that stretched while giving salaam ? After lowering your finger at Illallah, don't change it until the end of prayer. Keep your index finger that lowered stretched while salam also. Because ur salah ends after salam, not before it. And Allah knows best.
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