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**Siffidiolla** · 10-03-2010, 06:29 AM

he might be referring to the hadith about not living so close to the kuffar that you can see their fires. cant find the hadith but im sure you know which one i mean. i would really like to know the explanation of this hadith and what the ulama say about it.

salaam

i cant remember where i read the hadith but the words where along the lines ' whomsoever lives amonst the kuffar 1) is not amongst us or 2) i have no concern from them 'i cant rememember the which of the 2 endings it was. as for mufti rasheed (ra) i beleive he said living amongst the kuffar is like sending sheep to a pack of wolves

This one?

باب النَّهْيِ عَنْ قَتْلِ مَنْ اعْتَصَمَ بِالسُّجُودِ
2645 حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادُ بْنُ السَّرِيِّ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ عَنْ إِسْمَعِيلَ عَنْ قَيْسٍ عَنْ جَرِيرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ قَالَ بَعَثَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ سَرِيَّةً إِلَى خَثْعَمٍ فَاعْتَصَمَ نَاسٌ مِنْهُمْ بِالسُّجُودِ فَأَسْرَعَ فِيهِمْ الْقَتْلَ قَالَ فَبَلَغَ ذَلِكَ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَأَمَرَ لَهُمْ بِنِصْفِ الْعَقْلِ وَقَالَ أَنَا بَرِيءٌ مِنْ كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ يُقِيمُ بَيْنَ أَظْهُرِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ قَالُوا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ لِمَ قَالَ لَا تَرَاءَى نَارَاهُمَا قَالَ أَبُو دَاوُد رَوَاهُ هُشَيْمٌ وَمَعْمَرٌ وَخَالِدٌ الْوَاسِطِيُّ وَجَمَاعَةٌ لَمْ يَذْكُرُوا جَرِيرًا

Jarīr b. ‘Abdullah is reported to have said that the Messenger of Allah (sallallāhu ‘alayhi wa sallam) sent a battalion to the tribe of Khuth‘um. Some of the members of the tribe sought salvation in performing prostration. However, the battalion hurriedly killed them. When the Messenger of Allah heard of this, he ordered their families to be paid half the amount of blood money and said, “I am free from every Muslim who lives amongst the Polytheists.” We asked, “Why is that, O Messenger of Allah?” He replied, “You could not distinguish between their two fires.” (i.e. between who were Muslims and who were non-Muslims) (Abi Daud)

Hadeeth Type: Mursal
Authenticated by: Shaykh Al-Albani (RA)

Declared weak by:

Imam Bukhari (RA)
Imam Nasā’i (RA),
Imam Abu Hātim al-Rāzi (RA)
Imam Dāraqutni (RA)
And many others...

10-03-2010, 06:29 AM	#33
Siffidiolla Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 562 Senior Member	he might be referring to the hadith about not living so close to the kuffar that you can see their fires. cant find the hadith but im sure you know which one i mean. i would really like to know the explanation of this hadith and what the ulama say about it. salaam i cant remember where i read the hadith but the words where along the lines ' whomsoever lives amonst the kuffar 1) is not amongst us or 2) i have no concern from them 'i cant rememember the which of the 2 endings it was. as for mufti rasheed (ra) i beleive he said living amongst the kuffar is like sending sheep to a pack of wolves This one? باب النَّهْيِ عَنْ قَتْلِ مَنْ اعْتَصَمَ بِالسُّجُودِ 2645 حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادُ بْنُ السَّرِيِّ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو مُعَاوِيَةَ عَنْ إِسْمَعِيلَ عَنْ قَيْسٍ عَنْ جَرِيرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ قَالَ بَعَثَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ سَرِيَّةً إِلَى خَثْعَمٍ فَاعْتَصَمَ نَاسٌ مِنْهُمْ بِالسُّجُودِ فَأَسْرَعَ فِيهِمْ الْقَتْلَ قَالَ فَبَلَغَ ذَلِكَ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَأَمَرَ لَهُمْ بِنِصْفِ الْعَقْلِ وَقَالَ أَنَا بَرِيءٌ مِنْ كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ يُقِيمُ بَيْنَ أَظْهُرِ الْمُشْرِكِينَ قَالُوا يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ لِمَ قَالَ لَا تَرَاءَى نَارَاهُمَا قَالَ أَبُو دَاوُد رَوَاهُ هُشَيْمٌ وَمَعْمَرٌ وَخَالِدٌ الْوَاسِطِيُّ وَجَمَاعَةٌ لَمْ يَذْكُرُوا جَرِيرًا Jarīr b. ‘Abdullah is reported to have said that the Messenger of Allah (sallallāhu ‘alayhi wa sallam) sent a battalion to the tribe of Khuth‘um. Some of the members of the tribe sought salvation in performing prostration. However, the battalion hurriedly killed them. When the Messenger of Allah heard of this, he ordered their families to be paid half the amount of blood money and said, “I am free from every Muslim who lives amongst the Polytheists.” We asked, “Why is that, O Messenger of Allah?” He replied, “You could not distinguish between their two fires.” (i.e. between who were Muslims and who were non-Muslims) (Abi Daud) Hadeeth Type: Mursal Authenticated by: Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) Declared weak by: Imam Bukhari (RA) Imam Nasā’i (RA), Imam Abu Hātim al-Rāzi (RA) Imam Dāraqutni (RA) And many others...
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