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**Pashtet** · 09-27-2010, 02:04 PM

This thread is going no where. The belief of the Punishment of the Grave is absolute as it is part of the Qur'an:

"In front of the fire they will be brought morning and evening. And (the sentence will be) on the day that judgment will be established (it will be ordered) cast you the people of Pharaoh in the severest penalty." (Qur'an 40:46)

Punishment in the Grave followed by the Day of Judgement when they have the severest penalty worse than the grave. This is evidence of punishment before the Day of Judgement.

"...If you could but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death and the angels stretch forth their hands (saying): Yield up your souls. This day shall you receive your reward, a punishment of shame..." (Qur'an 6:93)

Once again punishment in the grave how so? It is because of the Angels when they "stretch forth their hands". As we see in another Ayah the meaning of that:

"If you could see when the angels take the souls of the unbelievers (at death), (how) they smite their faces and their backs (saying): �Taste the penalty of the blazing fire." (Qur'an 8:50)

In another Ayah we have proof of Allah punishing twice the Hypocrites, on in this world and one in the grave and thereafter on Judgement Day:

"Twice shall we punish them, and thereafter shall they be sent to a grievous penalty" (Qur'an 9:101)

Lastly is a whole Sur'ah:

"The mutual rivalry for piling up (the good things of this world) diverts you (from the more serious things), Until ye visit the graves. But nay, ye soon shall know (the reality). Again, ye soon shall know! Nay, were ye to know with certainty of mind, (ye would beware!) Ye shall certainly see Hell-Fire! Again, ye shall see it with certainty of sight! Then, shall ye be questioned that Day about the joy (ye indulged in!)." (Qur'an Sur'ah 102)

This is evident of the event of the Grave to the Day of Judgement.

As for the Ayah's mentioned earlier, we are talking about the Meeting in the Grave with the Angels versus the Meeting with the One who CREATED US ALLAH! How can one compare?

As far as Hadith's are concerned the ones about punishment of the grave are considered Mutawwatir

Allah knows best.

09-27-2010, 02:04 PM	#18
Pashtet Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	This thread is going no where. The belief of the Punishment of the Grave is absolute as it is part of the Qur'an: "In front of the fire they will be brought morning and evening. And (the sentence will be) on the day that judgment will be established (it will be ordered) cast you the people of Pharaoh in the severest penalty." (Qur'an 40:46) Punishment in the Grave followed by the Day of Judgement when they have the severest penalty worse than the grave. This is evidence of punishment before the Day of Judgement. "...If you could but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death and the angels stretch forth their hands (saying): Yield up your souls. This day shall you receive your reward, a punishment of shame..." (Qur'an 6:93) Once again punishment in the grave how so? It is because of the Angels when they "stretch forth their hands". As we see in another Ayah the meaning of that: "If you could see when the angels take the souls of the unbelievers (at death), (how) they smite their faces and their backs (saying): �Taste the penalty of the blazing fire." (Qur'an 8:50) In another Ayah we have proof of Allah punishing twice the Hypocrites, on in this world and one in the grave and thereafter on Judgement Day: "Twice shall we punish them, and thereafter shall they be sent to a grievous penalty" (Qur'an 9:101) Lastly is a whole Sur'ah: "The mutual rivalry for piling up (the good things of this world) diverts you (from the more serious things), Until ye visit the graves. But nay, ye soon shall know (the reality). Again, ye soon shall know! Nay, were ye to know with certainty of mind, (ye would beware!) Ye shall certainly see Hell-Fire! Again, ye shall see it with certainty of sight! Then, shall ye be questioned that Day about the joy (ye indulged in!)." (Qur'an Sur'ah 102) This is evident of the event of the Grave to the Day of Judgement. As for the Ayah's mentioned earlier, we are talking about the Meeting in the Grave with the Angels versus the Meeting with the One who CREATED US ALLAH! How can one compare? As far as Hadith's are concerned the ones about punishment of the grave are considered Mutawwatir Allah knows best.
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