DiscussWorldIssues - Socio-Economic Religion and Political Uncensored Debate - View Single Post

**Theariwinna** · 10-02-2010, 03:52 AM

Dear Brother Stefane, Assalaamoalaikum

Please excuse me for the long delay in replying. Not much time during Ramadhan.

HTML Code:
Code
Because my english is not quite good, if you understand french ? lol.
Dear Brother, I read, speak and write French as I read, speak and write English. Alhamdulillah. However, for those of our brothers and sisters on SF who are interested with this thread, let us continue in English. Hope you don't mind.

HTML Code:
Code
English Yusuf Ali: [18:49]And the Book (of Deeds) will be placed (before you); and thou wilt see the sinful in great terror because of what is (recorded) therein; they will say, "Ah! woe to us! what a Book is this! It leaves out nothing small or great, but takes account thereof!" They will find all that they did, placed before them: And not one will thy Lord treat with injustice.    Can you tell me whay personns are in great terror when they get their book ?  If they are terrified on that day, why they were not terrified in the grave ?
If we go to verse 18:48, we find that Allah(SWT) is referring to the Day of Judgment when each one will be presented with his record - the record of all his doings on Earth, good or bad. An atom of good will be shown; an atom of bad will be shown. No doubt, those who had doubted or those who did lead a sinful life will be terrified of seeing such a record, because then they will know that nothing was hidden from Allah(SWT).

They were not terrified in the grave (your second question) because it is on the Day of Judgment that the Book of Records is shown to each and every one. The Book is not shown in the grave.

HTML Code:
Code
They were not informed in the grave following your beleif that they will go to hell, because in the grave they know if they go to hell or not ?
I don't have the exact reference now, but there is a hadith which states that the dead in the grave will be shown his place in the hereafter, hell or paradise, in the morning and at night. This hadith tells us that in the grave itself, a sinner is being tortured through his seeing what his final destination is going to be. Please note that the grave is but a transit to the final destination. Hope, Insh'Allah, that some brother or sister on SF gives the exact reference.

There are quite a few hadiths (please do a search with the word grave) in Sahih al-Bukhari that convey to us the message that there is punishment in the grave. They are from different narrators. Of course, a few could have been cooked as you say. All of them??? If yes, do you then reject the hadiths totally? Your reply to this question is important, dear brother. If your reply is in the affirmative, then please open a new thread entitled "The authenticity of the hadiths", and we will discuss this issue there so that we do not digress from the subject of this present thread.

Brotherly yours
farook

Assalam aleykoum brother Farook,

Did you carefuly verses I puted ?

Did you read them carefully, I do not think you did ?????

I put you one verse and open your eyes please.

English Yusuf Ali: [10:45]One day He will gather them together: (It will be) as if they had tarried but an hour of a day: they will recognise each other: assuredly those will be lost who denied the meeting with Allah and refused to receive true guidance.

What is the Aim of grave punishment of one hour ?

Assalam aleykoum.

10-02-2010, 03:52 AM	#19
Theariwinna Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 730 Senior Member	Dear Brother Stefane, Assalaamoalaikum Please excuse me for the long delay in replying. Not much time during Ramadhan. HTML Code: Code Because my english is not quite good, if you understand french ? lol. Dear Brother, I read, speak and write French as I read, speak and write English. Alhamdulillah. However, for those of our brothers and sisters on SF who are interested with this thread, let us continue in English. Hope you don't mind. HTML Code: Code English Yusuf Ali: [18:49]And the Book (of Deeds) will be placed (before you); and thou wilt see the sinful in great terror because of what is (recorded) therein; they will say, "Ah! woe to us! what a Book is this! It leaves out nothing small or great, but takes account thereof!" They will find all that they did, placed before them: And not one will thy Lord treat with injustice. Can you tell me whay personns are in great terror when they get their book ? If they are terrified on that day, why they were not terrified in the grave ? If we go to verse 18:48, we find that Allah(SWT) is referring to the Day of Judgment when each one will be presented with his record - the record of all his doings on Earth, good or bad. An atom of good will be shown; an atom of bad will be shown. No doubt, those who had doubted or those who did lead a sinful life will be terrified of seeing such a record, because then they will know that nothing was hidden from Allah(SWT). They were not terrified in the grave (your second question) because it is on the Day of Judgment that the Book of Records is shown to each and every one. The Book is not shown in the grave. HTML Code: Code They were not informed in the grave following your beleif that they will go to hell, because in the grave they know if they go to hell or not ? I don't have the exact reference now, but there is a hadith which states that the dead in the grave will be shown his place in the hereafter, hell or paradise, in the morning and at night. This hadith tells us that in the grave itself, a sinner is being tortured through his seeing what his final destination is going to be. Please note that the grave is but a transit to the final destination. Hope, Insh'Allah, that some brother or sister on SF gives the exact reference. There are quite a few hadiths (please do a search with the word grave) in Sahih al-Bukhari that convey to us the message that there is punishment in the grave. They are from different narrators. Of course, a few could have been cooked as you say. All of them??? If yes, do you then reject the hadiths totally? Your reply to this question is important, dear brother. If your reply is in the affirmative, then please open a new thread entitled "The authenticity of the hadiths", and we will discuss this issue there so that we do not digress from the subject of this present thread. Brotherly yours farook Assalam aleykoum brother Farook, Did you carefuly verses I puted ? Did you read them carefully, I do not think you did ????? I put you one verse and open your eyes please. English Yusuf Ali: [10:45]One day He will gather them together: (It will be) as if they had tarried but an hour of a day: they will recognise each other: assuredly those will be lost who denied the meeting with Allah and refused to receive true guidance. What is the Aim of grave punishment of one hour ? Assalam aleykoum.
	Quote