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**emupsMaispubs** · 02-24-2011, 06:43 PM

If he said this, then this is kufr. It is agreed upon and a fundamental of belief that stoning is a punishment prescribed in Islam. Anyone who denies that, is a kaafir. See Ikfar al-Mulhidin by Allama Anwar Shah Kashmiri.

Can you bring the exact quote from the video?

I had replied last night, but it seems that it was blocked due to links in the post.

I am sorry that I can't provide the exact quote as I gave the DVD to a more learned brother for him to evaluate. In the DVD he clearly and emphatically said the punishment was the same and it disagreed with my understanding.

However, I had sent this message to another brother for his perspective: "I watched the DVD Jerusalem in the Quran and at 1:11:47 I was surprised that Imran Hosein said that the punishment of 100 lashes in Surah 24:2 applies to both adultery (married) and to fornication (unmarried). He said that Prophet Muhammad (sal alahu alayhi wa salam) did not differentiate between the 2 illegal relations.

I did a hadith search and Bukhari 82.106 references the stoning of a man who had confessed to adultery in which the man was asked if he was married. This implied to me that the punishment was different between fornication and adultery. Also Bukhari 78.629 an adulteress was stoned but the laborer who had relations with her was only lashed implying that he was unmarried.

Is the first instance a deviant ruling? The reason I ask is that I am still trying to decide if I should accept what this person says or writes as being correct."

02-24-2011, 06:43 PM	#16
emupsMaispubs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 467 Senior Member	If he said this, then this is kufr. It is agreed upon and a fundamental of belief that stoning is a punishment prescribed in Islam. Anyone who denies that, is a kaafir. See Ikfar al-Mulhidin by Allama Anwar Shah Kashmiri. Can you bring the exact quote from the video? I had replied last night, but it seems that it was blocked due to links in the post. I am sorry that I can't provide the exact quote as I gave the DVD to a more learned brother for him to evaluate. In the DVD he clearly and emphatically said the punishment was the same and it disagreed with my understanding. However, I had sent this message to another brother for his perspective: "I watched the DVD Jerusalem in the Quran and at 1:11:47 I was surprised that Imran Hosein said that the punishment of 100 lashes in Surah 24:2 applies to both adultery (married) and to fornication (unmarried). He said that Prophet Muhammad (sal alahu alayhi wa salam) did not differentiate between the 2 illegal relations. I did a hadith search and Bukhari 82.106 references the stoning of a man who had confessed to adultery in which the man was asked if he was married. This implied to me that the punishment was different between fornication and adultery. Also Bukhari 78.629 an adulteress was stoned but the laborer who had relations with her was only lashed implying that he was unmarried. Is the first instance a deviant ruling? The reason I ask is that I am still trying to decide if I should accept what this person says or writes as being correct."
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