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According to thanvi Salaf took the first level of haqeeqah ?

And there is nothing wrong with that as long as you make tafweed of its kunh. That is what his whole risalah is about.

Btw tell me,
What do the salafis take that haqeeqi meaning to be?
When we say yadd the dhahir mutabadir according to you is hand. So do you take the "muraad" of the nass to be "hand" as in the dhahir mutabadr muta'araf just that we make tafweed of its kayf? If you say yes then we are not talking about salaf aqeedah here?

and if you say no then go discuss the issue with other Salafis because they surely have come here to defend those meanings for these mutashabihaat. The whole thread on Dhahir was discussing whether the dhahir mutabadar adh dhahan is the haqeeqi meaning or not..

Thumma Astawa Alal Arsh.. Ya'ni Allahu Mustawiyyun Alal Arsh. Hadha thabit wa nahnu numinu bi dhalika, Wa La na'rifu muraad bidhaak! Fa fassara ba'd as salaf bil ma'na ma' ihtimaal annahu laisa dhalik. Hadha ihtimal dalla ala admi ilmi kunh wal kayf.

See Pg 611 the ibarah of Ruhul Ma'ani. Read the nafi of Ma'ani Muta'arif Mutabadir of Istiwaa Alal Arsh. I think you need to re read the risalah again and try and connect the dots rather than filtering the info to only to notice the points you want to see.

Also read Pg616 to see the address on the differenciating of the sifaat as well. Which can be called mutashabihaat. About Istiwaa, Yadd etc he said that "..Un kay Yadd ko hamaray yadd se, un kay qadm ko hamaray qadm se koi munasabat naheen, is liyay yeh kissi darjay main bhi hamaray fehm mein naheen aatay. Is liyay in ko mutashabiha kaha gya.... more explanation in the text of ruhul ma'ani there.

Then also read Pg 624 under the tarmeem of Surah A'raaf ayah. The difference is drawn clearly that the qiyas in the slightest sense is impossible even having some superficial meaning attached to Istiwaa. e.g between Istiqrar of Zayd on a throne with that of Istiqrar of an opinion on a matter, or the length of a stick with the length of the night! Like a blind cannot distinction the kunh of colors due to defficiency of the eyes, our uqool cannot fathom the disctinction of kunh of these meanings due to defficiency of our minds.

See br. tawheed in the end you have me sitting here explaining the risalah which you ought to have done yourself.. In this you are wasting my time and yours since even if you find that Allama Thanvi r.a is not attributing the salafi method of mutashabihaat to salaf, ALL you have to do is.. Ah.. he is Thanvi.. he is off his aqeedah anyway. And you will then carry on to your next target. So this behes is without any rewards. What I have done so far is enough from my side. If you are not satisfied (which I am sure you are not) can carry on with your discussion on the salafi forums. I am sure you will find hundreds who will become yes sir men and give you that nafsi boost to affirm your interpretation.