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**DoterForeva** · 05-18-2010, 04:10 PM

You do the translation correctly.

I have quoted 2 of the giants of jarh and t'adil, need I say more?.

You claim the translation is not correct, thus you should provide better translation then. It is clear what Ibn Nujaym says i.e. the only authentic hadith that establishes the place of placing them on the body is the hadith of Wail (radiallahu anhu) as reported in Ibn Khuzaimah. Same says Ibn Amir al Hajj in Sharh Munyah. You seem to just want to ignore these facts.

Also Shawkaani said (Nayl ul Awtaar 2/87) there is no hadith more sahih then the hadith of Wail (radiallahu anhu) The Hanafi muhaddith al-Ayni quotes this hadith of Wail (radiallahu anhu) in his Umdat ul Qari yet he remains silent about is authencity (whereas in other matters he show the weaknesses of the opposite proofs)

The Hanafi muhaddith of these times Shauyb al Arnaut has declared the hadith in Musnad Ahmad of Hulb (radiallahu anh) to be Sahih li Ghayrihi (thus due supporting narrations) in his tahqiq of Musnad Ahmad.

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DoterForeva Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	You do the translation correctly. I have quoted 2 of the giants of jarh and t'adil, need I say more?. You claim the translation is not correct, thus you should provide better translation then. It is clear what Ibn Nujaym says i.e. the only authentic hadith that establishes the place of placing them on the body is the hadith of Wail (radiallahu anhu) as reported in Ibn Khuzaimah. Same says Ibn Amir al Hajj in Sharh Munyah. You seem to just want to ignore these facts. Also Shawkaani said (Nayl ul Awtaar 2/87) there is no hadith more sahih then the hadith of Wail (radiallahu anhu) The Hanafi muhaddith al-Ayni quotes this hadith of Wail (radiallahu anhu) in his Umdat ul Qari yet he remains silent about is authencity (whereas in other matters he show the weaknesses of the opposite proofs) The Hanafi muhaddith of these times Shauyb al Arnaut has declared the hadith in Musnad Ahmad of Hulb (radiallahu anh) to be Sahih li Ghayrihi (thus due supporting narrations) in his tahqiq of Musnad Ahmad.
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