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**Diondra** · 03-28-2010, 03:24 AM

a. I heard Maulana Dhooma Saheb, who teaches Mishkaat and Tirmidhi Shareef in Madrasah Inaamiyah mentioning to me that two are such sins that they become perpetual. i.e untill you make tauba from them, you get the sin for it every moment. One is trailing your garment below the ankles and the second is triming your beard less than a fist (i.e not keeping the Shar'i length) [I believe it will apply to shaving as well, because that is haram according to all]

While this is a concept mentioned by Hadrat Shaykh Mawlana Zakariyyah saheb in his booklet on the beard and perpetuated by most of our Ulama, even by some Muhaqqiqin like Mf. Rashid Ahmed Ludyanwi saheb, I have never been able to understand it with regard to the beard.

When a person shaves his beard, the effects of it are long-lasting ie. until the beard regrows. It is sometimes claimed that until the beard grows again or he makes tawbah, he is continuously in sin.
The possible basis for this seems to be:
1- The effect of the sin is present thus the sin would continue to accrue for as long as the effect of it remains.
This seems completely illogical as it would mean that one would continue earning sin for zina as long as the illegitimate offspring born therefrom remains alive! There are many sins that leave behind an effect, yet the perpetrator of them isn't classified a 24 hour sinner.

2- The other possible reasoning is that one accustomed to shaving his beard intends shaving it tomorrow again, so it is as if he is continuously intending committing haram.
This argument is even weaker than the first as it could apply to every type of sin in addition to being terribly flawed.

As for the application of this concept to one keeping his garment below his ankle, it could be understood on the basis of the action not being a momentary one whose effect is long lasting (like shaving the beard), instead it is an action that repeats itself , allowing one to raise it at any second, so the continuous leaving of it, is in reality continuous perpetration of the action of keeping it below the ankle.
This wouldn't apply to the beard, as it doesn't have this tajaddud (continuous repetition) in it.

I have discussed this concept with a number of Ulama and have yet to find one who could explain its application to the beard in a satisfactory manner.
If anyone here could do so, I would appreciate it.

This argument or the weakness of it wouldn't affect the ruling of the beard, as that has been clearly discussed by the Fuqaha.
A simple search on SF will show one the dozens of proofs for keeping a full beard.

03-28-2010, 03:24 AM	#14
Diondra Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 375 Senior Member	a. I heard Maulana Dhooma Saheb, who teaches Mishkaat and Tirmidhi Shareef in Madrasah Inaamiyah mentioning to me that two are such sins that they become perpetual. i.e untill you make tauba from them, you get the sin for it every moment. One is trailing your garment below the ankles and the second is triming your beard less than a fist (i.e not keeping the Shar'i length) [I believe it will apply to shaving as well, because that is haram according to all] While this is a concept mentioned by Hadrat Shaykh Mawlana Zakariyyah saheb in his booklet on the beard and perpetuated by most of our Ulama, even by some Muhaqqiqin like Mf. Rashid Ahmed Ludyanwi saheb, I have never been able to understand it with regard to the beard. When a person shaves his beard, the effects of it are long-lasting ie. until the beard regrows. It is sometimes claimed that until the beard grows again or he makes tawbah, he is continuously in sin. The possible basis for this seems to be: 1- The effect of the sin is present thus the sin would continue to accrue for as long as the effect of it remains. This seems completely illogical as it would mean that one would continue earning sin for zina as long as the illegitimate offspring born therefrom remains alive! There are many sins that leave behind an effect, yet the perpetrator of them isn't classified a 24 hour sinner. 2- The other possible reasoning is that one accustomed to shaving his beard intends shaving it tomorrow again, so it is as if he is continuously intending committing haram. This argument is even weaker than the first as it could apply to every type of sin in addition to being terribly flawed. As for the application of this concept to one keeping his garment below his ankle, it could be understood on the basis of the action not being a momentary one whose effect is long lasting (like shaving the beard), instead it is an action that repeats itself , allowing one to raise it at any second, so the continuous leaving of it, is in reality continuous perpetration of the action of keeping it below the ankle. This wouldn't apply to the beard, as it doesn't have this tajaddud (continuous repetition) in it. I have discussed this concept with a number of Ulama and have yet to find one who could explain its application to the beard in a satisfactory manner. If anyone here could do so, I would appreciate it. This argument or the weakness of it wouldn't affect the ruling of the beard, as that has been clearly discussed by the Fuqaha. A simple search on SF will show one the dozens of proofs for keeping a full beard.
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