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**ViaplyVuple** · 03-29-2012, 06:50 AM

Sidi SeekerOfGuidance,

1) Yes, the mu´tamad is that the hukm for trimming is the same as for shaving. It is disliked to take anything from the beard except for Hajj and Umrah, where there is no dislike to trim, and it is better that it not be done shorter than one fist length. So Shafi´i Fuqaha have made a concession, even if not purely based on the narration of Ibn ´Umar (ra). There is also a (very) weak Hadith in regards to the Prophet (sallallahu ´alayhi wa alihi wa sallam) trimming his mubarak beard.

2) What gave you the impression that the majority disagreed with Imam Nawawi?
You provided a quote where a few ´ulama are mentioned, for the sake of showing that some disagreed with the Imam. That does not mean that there are not more who agreed with Nawawi.

3) Yes, there were those who disagreed, which is natural. However, most settled on the relied-upon (mu´tamad) opinion being that which was brought forth by Nawawi as such. I want to add a point, which is that the mu´tamad is not necessarily always the same as Imam Nawawi's personal preferences or opinions (ikhtiyarat), which sometimes differ from the mu´tamad. It is a common misunderstanding that the "opinion" of Nawawi is the mu´tamad; this is not correct. He sometimes disagrees with the mu´tamad based on other evidences etc. Rather his Minhaj is based on the book of Imam Rafi´i, who based his book on Imam Ghazali's.

Edit: I had not read your last post. Again, the tarjih of Nawawi in terms of what is the madhhab is not necessarily in regards to strength of evidence, but what represents the reliable madhhab. It is therefore argued that Shafi´i did not rule it to be haram, rather makruh.

And Allah knows best.

03-29-2012, 06:50 AM	#14
ViaplyVuple Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 419 Senior Member	Sidi SeekerOfGuidance, 1) Yes, the mu´tamad is that the hukm for trimming is the same as for shaving. It is disliked to take anything from the beard except for Hajj and Umrah, where there is no dislike to trim, and it is better that it not be done shorter than one fist length. So Shafi´i Fuqaha have made a concession, even if not purely based on the narration of Ibn ´Umar (ra). There is also a (very) weak Hadith in regards to the Prophet (sallallahu ´alayhi wa alihi wa sallam) trimming his mubarak beard. 2) What gave you the impression that the majority disagreed with Imam Nawawi? You provided a quote where a few ´ulama are mentioned, for the sake of showing that some disagreed with the Imam. That does not mean that there are not more who agreed with Nawawi. 3) Yes, there were those who disagreed, which is natural. However, most settled on the relied-upon (mu´tamad) opinion being that which was brought forth by Nawawi as such. I want to add a point, which is that the mu´tamad is not necessarily always the same as Imam Nawawi's personal preferences or opinions (ikhtiyarat), which sometimes differ from the mu´tamad. It is a common misunderstanding that the "opinion" of Nawawi is the mu´tamad; this is not correct. He sometimes disagrees with the mu´tamad based on other evidences etc. Rather his Minhaj is based on the book of Imam Rafi´i, who based his book on Imam Ghazali's. Edit: I had not read your last post. Again, the tarjih of Nawawi in terms of what is the madhhab is not necessarily in regards to strength of evidence, but what represents the reliable madhhab. It is therefore argued that Shafi´i did not rule it to be haram, rather makruh. And Allah knows best.
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