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**Rchzygnc** · 10-07-2012, 10:18 PM

It's amusing how some of SHY's tangential statements are used to extrapolate his ultimate aqeedah, yet when he states is aqeedah in clear terms its brushed off as 'diplomatic statements'. Of course his ambiguous statements serve one's cause and agenda much better than his clear ones.

No one here is getting paid to oppose Hamza Yusuf. He does not represent any specific school of thought so that one will oppose him based on personal grievances towards that specific school. I have personally listened to three of his stances which are extremely problematic. Let me list them again for the sake of clarity.

1. His saying that the Lahori group of Qadyanis are not out of the fold of Islam and Muhammad Ali (one of the pioneers of the Lahori Qadyanis was a great scholar). I am thinking to translate that speech of him and forward it to "Majlis Tahafuz e Khatam e Naboowat" which is a body composed of real scholars so that they can either ask him to repent publicly or issue a Fatwa regarding his deviance.

2. His saying that the Maturidi creed has been influenced by Buddhism. He made a speech (in which probably he was in his crypto-perrenialistic mood) in which he claimed that Imam Abul Mansoor maturidi ra was born in an area where Buddhism was prevalent and so he induced the "softness" of Buddhism into Islam through the Maturidi creed.

3.His saying that Quran opposes the punishment of death for apostates and this ruling has long been misunderstood.

These views are simply unacceptable. Had any person in Pakistan come up with these deviant views and would have dared to propagate them in public, the righteous scholars would have opposed him. These views are just acceptable for the people who want to understand and interpret Islam through social relativism.

10-07-2012, 10:18 PM	#27
Rchzygnc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	It's amusing how some of SHY's tangential statements are used to extrapolate his ultimate aqeedah, yet when he states is aqeedah in clear terms its brushed off as 'diplomatic statements'. Of course his ambiguous statements serve one's cause and agenda much better than his clear ones. No one here is getting paid to oppose Hamza Yusuf. He does not represent any specific school of thought so that one will oppose him based on personal grievances towards that specific school. I have personally listened to three of his stances which are extremely problematic. Let me list them again for the sake of clarity. 1. His saying that the Lahori group of Qadyanis are not out of the fold of Islam and Muhammad Ali (one of the pioneers of the Lahori Qadyanis was a great scholar). I am thinking to translate that speech of him and forward it to "Majlis Tahafuz e Khatam e Naboowat" which is a body composed of real scholars so that they can either ask him to repent publicly or issue a Fatwa regarding his deviance. 2. His saying that the Maturidi creed has been influenced by Buddhism. He made a speech (in which probably he was in his crypto-perrenialistic mood) in which he claimed that Imam Abul Mansoor maturidi ra was born in an area where Buddhism was prevalent and so he induced the "softness" of Buddhism into Islam through the Maturidi creed. 3.His saying that Quran opposes the punishment of death for apostates and this ruling has long been misunderstood. These views are simply unacceptable. Had any person in Pakistan come up with these deviant views and would have dared to propagate them in public, the righteous scholars would have opposed him. These views are just acceptable for the people who want to understand and interpret Islam through social relativism.
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