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**mudozvonf** · 10-07-2012, 10:21 PM

Anyone who says this is wrong, be he Salafi, Sufi, or whatever he wants to present himself as. If we're not bound by the ijmaa' as-sahabah and the agreement of the Four Schools, then are we bound by anything at all?

What's more, how can you say that it hasn't moved to a place where it invites criticism? Anyone expressing a view like this in public is effectively leaving off the ijmaa of the Sahabah and the agreement of thousands of great scholars from all Four Schools. People who give speeches on the incumbency of 8 rak'ahs taraweeh are shot down like WW1 planes meeting Sidewinder missiles, so why is this going unchallenged?

Lol, nice simile. Seriously though, what you say is true. The traditionalist camp is the most anti Salafi camp there is and their major arguments are based around 'the four schools worked for x number of years, why are you doing DIY ijtihad, etc' and they complain about 8 rakaah taraweeh and so forth and say the Salafi's are devoid of understanding since they have left the basic understanding of the four schools, but then their leaders tell us the apostasy hadd isn't applicable anymore despite there being a consensus on it and suddenly a thousand excuses come flooding in like 'Shaykh so and so is much more learned than you'. Well in that case, Shaykh Uthaymeen and others were also learned, why are they criticised by traditionalist laymen? (Not that I am Salafi or anything, just pointing out the basic hypocrisy we see from the traditionalist camp).

If the four schools are supposed to be good enough for the Salafi's when it comes to 8 rakaah taraweeh, they should be good enough for the traditionalists when it comes to the apostasy hadd too.

If the excuse 'don't criticise so and so scholar because he is more learned than you' should be good enough for the Salafi's, it should be good enough for the traditionalists too.

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mudozvonf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 426 Senior Member	Anyone who says this is wrong, be he Salafi, Sufi, or whatever he wants to present himself as. If we're not bound by the ijmaa' as-sahabah and the agreement of the Four Schools, then are we bound by anything at all? What's more, how can you say that it hasn't moved to a place where it invites criticism? Anyone expressing a view like this in public is effectively leaving off the ijmaa of the Sahabah and the agreement of thousands of great scholars from all Four Schools. People who give speeches on the incumbency of 8 rak'ahs taraweeh are shot down like WW1 planes meeting Sidewinder missiles, so why is this going unchallenged? Lol, nice simile. Seriously though, what you say is true. The traditionalist camp is the most anti Salafi camp there is and their major arguments are based around 'the four schools worked for x number of years, why are you doing DIY ijtihad, etc' and they complain about 8 rakaah taraweeh and so forth and say the Salafi's are devoid of understanding since they have left the basic understanding of the four schools, but then their leaders tell us the apostasy hadd isn't applicable anymore despite there being a consensus on it and suddenly a thousand excuses come flooding in like 'Shaykh so and so is much more learned than you'. Well in that case, Shaykh Uthaymeen and others were also learned, why are they criticised by traditionalist laymen? (Not that I am Salafi or anything, just pointing out the basic hypocrisy we see from the traditionalist camp). If the four schools are supposed to be good enough for the Salafi's when it comes to 8 rakaah taraweeh, they should be good enough for the traditionalists when it comes to the apostasy hadd too. If the excuse 'don't criticise so and so scholar because he is more learned than you' should be good enough for the Salafi's, it should be good enough for the traditionalists too.
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