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**VanDerSmok** · 10-07-2012, 10:35 PM

Not everyone lives in America that they bother about what some individuals there say. Either way there are more salafis in west holding this opinion then those who follow the madhab. Clean your own house before attempting to prove anything.

At the end of the day those who follow the madhab always have the scholars of mmadhab as authority over riding the individual opinions today. While salafism by default is opposite that requires madhabs being diverted to agree with some individuals personal interpretation of Quran and sunnah. That's the big difference.

None of what you're saying has anything to do with anything and nor does it even make sense. Why don't you go clean your own house? Or do you not love the Sahabah? Cite the 'Salafis' who hold this opinion. I can think of a few you might cite:
1) Usama Hasan : murtadd, not Salafi.
2) Jamal Badawi : Modernist, not Salafi.
3) SA Rahman : Modernist, not Salafi. (if you want to argue that the two are synonyms, please come up with common factors between ibn 'Uthaymeen and Jamal Badawi, preferably fully cited with reference to their works; thanks).
4) MH Kamali : pseudo-traditionalist and co-hort of Abdul-Hakim Murad, not Salafi.
5) Yusuf Qaradawi : darned if I know WHAT he is.

On the 'traditionalist camp,' we have:
1) Suhaib Webb (studied at al-Azhar, received authorization from Ali Gomaa, self-admitted Ash'ari/Sufi in recent lecture)
2) Abdullah ibn Hamid Ali
3) Abdul-Hakim Murad
4) Hamza Yusuf
5) Ali Gomaa.

Looks like the count is even so far. Even it up on your end or stop your blabbering.

@ahmad12
Yes, that's very well said. Wa iyakum.

10-07-2012, 10:35 PM	#29
VanDerSmok Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 521 Senior Member	Not everyone lives in America that they bother about what some individuals there say. Either way there are more salafis in west holding this opinion then those who follow the madhab. Clean your own house before attempting to prove anything. At the end of the day those who follow the madhab always have the scholars of mmadhab as authority over riding the individual opinions today. While salafism by default is opposite that requires madhabs being diverted to agree with some individuals personal interpretation of Quran and sunnah. That's the big difference. None of what you're saying has anything to do with anything and nor does it even make sense. Why don't you go clean your own house? Or do you not love the Sahabah? Cite the 'Salafis' who hold this opinion. I can think of a few you might cite: 1) Usama Hasan : murtadd, not Salafi. 2) Jamal Badawi : Modernist, not Salafi. 3) SA Rahman : Modernist, not Salafi. (if you want to argue that the two are synonyms, please come up with common factors between ibn 'Uthaymeen and Jamal Badawi, preferably fully cited with reference to their works; thanks). 4) MH Kamali : pseudo-traditionalist and co-hort of Abdul-Hakim Murad, not Salafi. 5) Yusuf Qaradawi : darned if I know WHAT he is. On the 'traditionalist camp,' we have: 1) Suhaib Webb (studied at al-Azhar, received authorization from Ali Gomaa, self-admitted Ash'ari/Sufi in recent lecture) 2) Abdullah ibn Hamid Ali 3) Abdul-Hakim Murad 4) Hamza Yusuf 5) Ali Gomaa. Looks like the count is even so far. Even it up on your end or stop your blabbering. @ahmad12 Yes, that's very well said. Wa iyakum.
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