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**Rchzygnc** · 10-08-2012, 02:15 AM

I think we all know that shaykh Hamza wrote this because of some arrogant castigators on this very forum!!

Pay heed:

Our community is currently dealing with many grave matters: suicide bombings, sectarianism, civil wars, our great scholars of the past having their bodies dug up from their graves and desecrated, mentally challenged adolescent girls accused of blasphemy, embassies destroyed and ambassadors killed or under threat, … the list continues. As a result of the madness in our community, increasingly, for the first time since I became Muslim thirty-five years ago, I am hearing pleas such as, “Help my son – he has left Islam; help my daughter – she is having a crisis of faith.” I now receive letters and emails requesting that I talk to Muslim youth who no longer identify with our faith. Sadly, harsh-hearted haters among our community are driving people from the mosques and making the most beautiful teaching in the world appear ugly.

There is nothing in it to pay heed to.

This is infact no argument but Hamza is constructing excuses for his deviations. Even if we consider it as an argument , it has the following two traits of preposition and conclusion.

1. As people are becoming apostates these days and I am receiving calls from parents who are saying that there kids are going through a faith crisis therefor my own deviations should be ignored.

2. As Islam is in crisis these days therefor a reformation is needed and my deviations should be seen as efforts of reformation and therefor digested.

These two arguments are much old. Hamza is not playing a new game. Each and every heretic sect in Islam has started by initially blackmailing the Muslims on the same lines by posing Islam as being under-attack and then they would consequentially pose their own deviations and Hawa e Nafs (personal desires) as the solutions. At the end of the day Islam survived and all such reformatory cults vanished in their own insecurities. Mr Hamza and his ignocent (a mix of ignorant and innocent) followers must keep it in mind that it the personal faith crisis of Mr Hamza (which became visible after 911) that he is trying to generalize. We all know that he himself went to a transition after the events of 911 and he assumed that it must be true for everybody.

Secondly , even if it is true that Islam is under some crisis and people are supposedly leaving Islam , where the hell Islam says that change the fundamentals of religion in such conditions? I am sure nowhere. From where is Mr Hamza extracting the power of reformation with in the Nasoos? I am sure from where in the Nasoos but his personal insecurities and relativistic approach is the root of his "reformatory efforts". It is the duty of each and every Muslims , including Mr Hamza, to present Islam as it is to the people. Allah has not made him a Mukalif of anything after that. If someone accepts the message or rejects it , Mr Hamza has nothing to do with it. It is not his religious duty of present his own modified Islam to the people to convince them. Reformed and Modified Islam is not Islam.

My advice to Hamza shall be that he should come out of the fragile and dubious environment of Zaytunia where he is encircled by the Modernist crowd. It is adding to his insecurities and under the influence of them he starts saying "Qadyanis are not outside the fold of Islam". It shall be very good if he spends some time in the Tablighi Jamaat so that not only his environment changes but so that he can also see that how the TJs are giving the 1400 years old message of Islam to the people without modifying it a bit. May be he should visit Afghanistan as well so that he can see how Islam is surfacing as an idea to counter the post modernistic ideologies and again the old fashioned non modified Mujahideen are doing that.

10-08-2012, 02:15 AM	#38
Rchzygnc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	I think we all know that shaykh Hamza wrote this because of some arrogant castigators on this very forum!! Pay heed: Our community is currently dealing with many grave matters: suicide bombings, sectarianism, civil wars, our great scholars of the past having their bodies dug up from their graves and desecrated, mentally challenged adolescent girls accused of blasphemy, embassies destroyed and ambassadors killed or under threat, … the list continues. As a result of the madness in our community, increasingly, for the first time since I became Muslim thirty-five years ago, I am hearing pleas such as, “Help my son – he has left Islam; help my daughter – she is having a crisis of faith.” I now receive letters and emails requesting that I talk to Muslim youth who no longer identify with our faith. Sadly, harsh-hearted haters among our community are driving people from the mosques and making the most beautiful teaching in the world appear ugly. There is nothing in it to pay heed to. This is infact no argument but Hamza is constructing excuses for his deviations. Even if we consider it as an argument , it has the following two traits of preposition and conclusion. 1. As people are becoming apostates these days and I am receiving calls from parents who are saying that there kids are going through a faith crisis therefor my own deviations should be ignored. 2. As Islam is in crisis these days therefor a reformation is needed and my deviations should be seen as efforts of reformation and therefor digested. These two arguments are much old. Hamza is not playing a new game. Each and every heretic sect in Islam has started by initially blackmailing the Muslims on the same lines by posing Islam as being under-attack and then they would consequentially pose their own deviations and Hawa e Nafs (personal desires) as the solutions. At the end of the day Islam survived and all such reformatory cults vanished in their own insecurities. Mr Hamza and his ignocent (a mix of ignorant and innocent) followers must keep it in mind that it the personal faith crisis of Mr Hamza (which became visible after 911) that he is trying to generalize. We all know that he himself went to a transition after the events of 911 and he assumed that it must be true for everybody. Secondly , even if it is true that Islam is under some crisis and people are supposedly leaving Islam , where the hell Islam says that change the fundamentals of religion in such conditions? I am sure nowhere. From where is Mr Hamza extracting the power of reformation with in the Nasoos? I am sure from where in the Nasoos but his personal insecurities and relativistic approach is the root of his "reformatory efforts". It is the duty of each and every Muslims , including Mr Hamza, to present Islam as it is to the people. Allah has not made him a Mukalif of anything after that. If someone accepts the message or rejects it , Mr Hamza has nothing to do with it. It is not his religious duty of present his own modified Islam to the people to convince them. Reformed and Modified Islam is not Islam. My advice to Hamza shall be that he should come out of the fragile and dubious environment of Zaytunia where he is encircled by the Modernist crowd. It is adding to his insecurities and under the influence of them he starts saying "Qadyanis are not outside the fold of Islam". It shall be very good if he spends some time in the Tablighi Jamaat so that not only his environment changes but so that he can also see that how the TJs are giving the 1400 years old message of Islam to the people without modifying it a bit. May be he should visit Afghanistan as well so that he can see how Islam is surfacing as an idea to counter the post modernistic ideologies and again the old fashioned non modified Mujahideen are doing that.
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