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**ZX3URrBH** · 09-18-2012, 11:20 PM

No it doesn't. This is clearly another subject that you think you understand and don't.

I'm not trying to be rude, re-read what he said and try to fit it into ad hominem.

So by that summation, anything I ever say about the US is wrong, right ? Because that's what he's trying to imply with that statement.

Ad hominem or not, it's still didn't answer my post directly.

Your claim itself is a straw man, since laws are broken in the process of transferring a legally obtained firearm to an illegal market in the method you mention.

The problem is not that having legal guns is a bad thing, the problem is that people abuse the system to get the guns in to the hands of criminals/unregistered owners.

Thus stating that having the ability to legally own a gun fosters crime is a logical fallacy.

The true culprit is, as stated, abusing the system, thus illegal activity.

Countries with stricter laws, or outright restrictions also have illegal guns.

It's the system in place which allows this, hence my assertion that US gun problems are just the result of there being a legal market to begin with.

I never said that guns should be outlawed, I also never said that other countries don't have illegal guns.

But the US is only modern western country with a disproportionate amount of illegal guns and huge number of gun violence per capita.

Why are gun homicide rates in the US almost 20 times higher in the US than other high income modern countries ?

http://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/Abst...irearm.35.aspx

Not wanting to argue with someone based on their lack of merit is not ad hominem.

Tinomen considered your post history and bailed on the discussion, that is intelligence, not ad hominem.

And what does that get us ?

I'm not pretending to be an expert on anything, I just made a statement and only got personal attacks hurled at me.

That's how FM rolls, I guess.

09-18-2012, 11:20 PM	#34
ZX3URrBH Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 381 Senior Member	No it doesn't. This is clearly another subject that you think you understand and don't. I'm not trying to be rude, re-read what he said and try to fit it into ad hominem. So by that summation, anything I ever say about the US is wrong, right ? Because that's what he's trying to imply with that statement. Ad hominem or not, it's still didn't answer my post directly. Your claim itself is a straw man, since laws are broken in the process of transferring a legally obtained firearm to an illegal market in the method you mention. The problem is not that having legal guns is a bad thing, the problem is that people abuse the system to get the guns in to the hands of criminals/unregistered owners. Thus stating that having the ability to legally own a gun fosters crime is a logical fallacy. The true culprit is, as stated, abusing the system, thus illegal activity. Countries with stricter laws, or outright restrictions also have illegal guns. It's the system in place which allows this, hence my assertion that US gun problems are just the result of there being a legal market to begin with. I never said that guns should be outlawed, I also never said that other countries don't have illegal guns. But the US is only modern western country with a disproportionate amount of illegal guns and huge number of gun violence per capita. Why are gun homicide rates in the US almost 20 times higher in the US than other high income modern countries ? http://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/Abst...irearm.35.aspx Not wanting to argue with someone based on their lack of merit is not ad hominem. Tinomen considered your post history and bailed on the discussion, that is intelligence, not ad hominem. And what does that get us ? I'm not pretending to be an expert on anything, I just made a statement and only got personal attacks hurled at me. That's how FM rolls, I guess.
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