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**letmelogin** · 01-23-2006, 09:56 AM

Aaaaeeeiieee. Wakarimasu.

I have been doing some reseach into Mayan culture and in the course thereof I have found several theories on the european "discovery" of Brazil. The one I like the most is that prior to 1492 the Portugese, who were the best sailors and navigators in the western world, "discovered" Brazil. The Portugese "owned" the routes around Africa to the Indies and, because they had forts all around the east and west coasts of Africa, could stop anyone who tried to take that route. That gave them the opportunity to check out the west and the southern currents sent them to Brazil.
There was a big problem with Spain and the Vatican so Portugal kept its mouth shut. Eventually Chrisopher Columbus either stole the Portugese charts or the Portugese "arranged" for him to obtain them. Columbus, who was neither a good sailor nor a good navigator, sold his "idea" about travelling west to India to Ferdinand and Isbella (Probably Isbella) and "discovered" Hispanola.
Spain then went to the Pope and got a decree that anything west of a certain longitude belonged to Spain. Portugal then went to the Pope and lobbied to change the decree to move the longitude westward. Since it did not matter at all, the Pope ageed. The new line was east of Columbus's "discoveries" but did not include eastern Brazil which, of course, nobody even "knew" existed.
About eight years after Columbus, the Portugese, the best sailors and best navigators in europe, sent about 12 ships to Africa. In a dead calm, one of the ships was "lost". The other eleven ships went looking for it and, don't you know it, they "discovered" Brazil. They stayed for one week and then ten of the ships continued their trip to India and one sailed directly to Portugal and claimed Bazil on behalf of their crown.
Go figure.

There is also a theory that in fact the chinese arrived here too. There are some ruins in the mexican west coast which show ships resembling chinese ships and trade with a "people on the other side of the world" presumably the corresponding accounts in China were lost during Uncle Mao's Happy Fun Killing Time.

Then there is also the "theory" that the templars also arrived which would explain the Maize plant carvings in some of the temples and some other "evidence".
And there is also that wacky Scandinavian whose name eludes me that crossed the atlantic on a papyrus ship built like the ones in ancient egypt to prove that it could have happened (and explain pyramids in both continents) I find this topic quite interesting.

01-23-2006, 09:56 AM	#21
letmelogin Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 452 Senior Member	Aaaaeeeiieee. Wakarimasu. I have been doing some reseach into Mayan culture and in the course thereof I have found several theories on the european "discovery" of Brazil. The one I like the most is that prior to 1492 the Portugese, who were the best sailors and navigators in the western world, "discovered" Brazil. The Portugese "owned" the routes around Africa to the Indies and, because they had forts all around the east and west coasts of Africa, could stop anyone who tried to take that route. That gave them the opportunity to check out the west and the southern currents sent them to Brazil. There was a big problem with Spain and the Vatican so Portugal kept its mouth shut. Eventually Chrisopher Columbus either stole the Portugese charts or the Portugese "arranged" for him to obtain them. Columbus, who was neither a good sailor nor a good navigator, sold his "idea" about travelling west to India to Ferdinand and Isbella (Probably Isbella) and "discovered" Hispanola. Spain then went to the Pope and got a decree that anything west of a certain longitude belonged to Spain. Portugal then went to the Pope and lobbied to change the decree to move the longitude westward. Since it did not matter at all, the Pope ageed. The new line was east of Columbus's "discoveries" but did not include eastern Brazil which, of course, nobody even "knew" existed. About eight years after Columbus, the Portugese, the best sailors and best navigators in europe, sent about 12 ships to Africa. In a dead calm, one of the ships was "lost". The other eleven ships went looking for it and, don't you know it, they "discovered" Brazil. They stayed for one week and then ten of the ships continued their trip to India and one sailed directly to Portugal and claimed Bazil on behalf of their crown. Go figure. There is also a theory that in fact the chinese arrived here too. There are some ruins in the mexican west coast which show ships resembling chinese ships and trade with a "people on the other side of the world" presumably the corresponding accounts in China were lost during Uncle Mao's Happy Fun Killing Time. Then there is also the "theory" that the templars also arrived which would explain the Maize plant carvings in some of the temples and some other "evidence". And there is also that wacky Scandinavian whose name eludes me that crossed the atlantic on a papyrus ship built like the ones in ancient egypt to prove that it could have happened (and explain pyramids in both continents) I find this topic quite interesting.
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