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**ptolerezort** · 01-24-2006, 12:03 PM

The US military still does some minimal amount of bayonet training, so it wouldn't be surprising if the JDF and everybody else does also, though no army in the world intends to have it's troops fighting with a blade outside of some special situations like trying to take out a sentry quietly. The US military used to use it more to teach aggresiveness and decisiveness in a confrontational situation rather than because they thought most troops would ever use their bayonet in combat, now the US uses the Gracie Jiu Jitsu-based combatives training for that purpose, but other countries may still use bayonet training.

The value of the bayonet in modern combat is probably indicated by the fact the the Soviet/Russion issue bayonet for the AK-47 is more a wire cutter than a bayonet, they just make it look like a weapon so the soldiers won't throw it away to avoid carrying it.

Actualy, some US(at least US maybe in other countrys) special forces units are issued bayonets. There is even a production variant of the M-4 with a bayonet mount on it. Of course, the CQB situations groups like seals and delta force tend to find themselves in, some times hand to hand is a preferable option. I Sight an Ex-Navy seal I spoke to for a research project in a Military history class on that. It could now be outdated information(he has been retired 4 years or so), but I have seen picture of the M-4 bayonet mounts. I beleive the modern bayonets are actualy more knife like than traditional pivot mounts however. The pictures he showed me of there field issue was essentialy a knife with a hinge and lock mechanism that attached to the gun. As recently as Korea there was an entire unit specialy trained to seek out hand to hand combat(and there name escapes me at the moment). All the m-14 rifles were fitted with bayonet mounts, and all m-16's up to the A2 can be fitted easily. I beleive there was a design change in the A3 however that made it more difficult. I have heard rumors, though unverifiable, that the next generation of rifles(wich I also cant think of the designation at this moment......Ive seen pictures and I should know the name) will be fitted with a provision for a mount. As I said though that was a rumor being discussed after a class one day, not a fact......

01-24-2006, 12:03 PM	#34
ptolerezort Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 432 Senior Member	The US military still does some minimal amount of bayonet training, so it wouldn't be surprising if the JDF and everybody else does also, though no army in the world intends to have it's troops fighting with a blade outside of some special situations like trying to take out a sentry quietly. The US military used to use it more to teach aggresiveness and decisiveness in a confrontational situation rather than because they thought most troops would ever use their bayonet in combat, now the US uses the Gracie Jiu Jitsu-based combatives training for that purpose, but other countries may still use bayonet training. The value of the bayonet in modern combat is probably indicated by the fact the the Soviet/Russion issue bayonet for the AK-47 is more a wire cutter than a bayonet, they just make it look like a weapon so the soldiers won't throw it away to avoid carrying it. Actualy, some US(at least US maybe in other countrys) special forces units are issued bayonets. There is even a production variant of the M-4 with a bayonet mount on it. Of course, the CQB situations groups like seals and delta force tend to find themselves in, some times hand to hand is a preferable option. I Sight an Ex-Navy seal I spoke to for a research project in a Military history class on that. It could now be outdated information(he has been retired 4 years or so), but I have seen picture of the M-4 bayonet mounts. I beleive the modern bayonets are actualy more knife like than traditional pivot mounts however. The pictures he showed me of there field issue was essentialy a knife with a hinge and lock mechanism that attached to the gun. As recently as Korea there was an entire unit specialy trained to seek out hand to hand combat(and there name escapes me at the moment). All the m-14 rifles were fitted with bayonet mounts, and all m-16's up to the A2 can be fitted easily. I beleive there was a design change in the A3 however that made it more difficult. I have heard rumors, though unverifiable, that the next generation of rifles(wich I also cant think of the designation at this moment......Ive seen pictures and I should know the name) will be fitted with a provision for a mount. As I said though that was a rumor being discussed after a class one day, not a fact......
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