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**cindygirl** · 11-01-2005, 12:00 PM

The state of mind of some people is laughable. Just b/c there was seperation between church and state doesnt mean religion should no longer exist in school/work environments. This is appauling, let everyone believe and worship in their own way.

I don't think the argument is about the separation between church and state, I think it is about belief, as important as it is, being marketed as fact.

Science is not set in stone.
Science is about constructing ideas, and trying to disprove them through experiment and argument. The scientific community worldwide is a network of people constuctively trying to tear apart each others arguments. Those arguments which cannot be disproved are used to make further ideas.

So any scientific theory is generally considered "the best idea so far", this doesn't make it concrete, but it makes it a pretty firmly considered and well based theory.

The problem with Intelligent Design is that it is selling itself as a scientific theory, which it is not.
It is trying to deconstruct the theory of evolution (incidentally, they are only attacking one of many theories, and an old one at that) as they are well entitled to do, but the biggest problem is that they are not part of the process of putting themselves up for question.
Without this open forum of questioning and argument, it is not science, it is belief.
This is religion, which as any follower of christianity, judaism, or the muslim faith will tell you, is based on faith. Without faith it loses a good deal.

To paraphrase Douglas Adams:
The argument goes like this :
"I refuse to prove that I exist", says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But", says Man, "Intelligent Design is a dead giveaway isn't it? we could not have evolved by chance. it proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear", says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

11-01-2005, 12:00 PM	#10
cindygirl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	The state of mind of some people is laughable. Just b/c there was seperation between church and state doesnt mean religion should no longer exist in school/work environments. This is appauling, let everyone believe and worship in their own way. I don't think the argument is about the separation between church and state, I think it is about belief, as important as it is, being marketed as fact. Science is not set in stone. Science is about constructing ideas, and trying to disprove them through experiment and argument. The scientific community worldwide is a network of people constuctively trying to tear apart each others arguments. Those arguments which cannot be disproved are used to make further ideas. So any scientific theory is generally considered "the best idea so far", this doesn't make it concrete, but it makes it a pretty firmly considered and well based theory. The problem with Intelligent Design is that it is selling itself as a scientific theory, which it is not. It is trying to deconstruct the theory of evolution (incidentally, they are only attacking one of many theories, and an old one at that) as they are well entitled to do, but the biggest problem is that they are not part of the process of putting themselves up for question. Without this open forum of questioning and argument, it is not science, it is belief. This is religion, which as any follower of christianity, judaism, or the muslim faith will tell you, is based on faith. Without faith it loses a good deal. To paraphrase Douglas Adams: The argument goes like this : "I refuse to prove that I exist", says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But", says Man, "Intelligent Design is a dead giveaway isn't it? we could not have evolved by chance. it proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED." "Oh dear", says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
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