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**VastDrura** · 10-06-2006, 08:00 AM

i saw a fencing demo a few months ago, and it was really not what i expected. in foil and epee (or the other thing), they have modified the handle, and it doesnt look like a sword at all... it looks like a happymeal toy to me... i mean, they hold the stuff with two fingers?? i doubt that could inflict that much damage 'if'.

sabre was the only one that looked fairly decent(at least the sword had a normal handle), but then again it looked as if they were using whips, not swords.

Well at least that clip was entertaining.

Even with the classical french (straight) grip, all 3 weapons are held with thumb and index finger and blade movements executed with finger pressure, the other 3 fingers are only there to assist. We didn't let beginners use the pistol grip to learn because it'll make them develop bad habits like using your wrist to move the blade instead. Besides, pistol grips comes in all sorts of sizes and shapes, and its much easier for the club to stock pratice foils with the french grip... which only comes in 1 shape and size.

Just like the edge of a katana, the point of a rapier is a deadly instrument and you don't need much power at all to pierce an unarmored person. (The foil is, after all a peacetime weapon used for duels, rather than a battlefield.) People are pretty fragile objects, compared to pointed/edged metal weapons.

I used to fence Sabre for 7 years before starting Kendo, and I call BS on that sabre hit. His arm was completely bent on the start of his attack, assuming he has to score on fencing rules, no right-of-way was established. His only salvation was that the kenshi was moving backwards. No one would have given the fencer that hit if it was done under non-electronic rules. (1 president and 2 side judges.)

Where the heck did that light come from? There wasn't any electonic equipment on both of them and I saw no wires connecting the Kenshi nor the fencer, so I guess someone just pressed a button on the side lol.

On the hit itself, based on where I wear my do and tare, that was off target. I guess that's one of the perks of electronic scoring... but then you see the result here too: crappy hits that bear no resemblence to a real sabre cut. Lets not even go into the how the fencer over-extended and have such a crappy finish that left him W-I-D-E open. (other ex-fencing guys on this forum will know what I'm talking about.

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For the Kendo guy, I'm glad they at least gave him a plastic eye protector and tape up ( or padded up?) his mengane.

10-06-2006, 08:00 AM	#37
VastDrura Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 406 Senior Member	i saw a fencing demo a few months ago, and it was really not what i expected. in foil and epee (or the other thing), they have modified the handle, and it doesnt look like a sword at all... it looks like a happymeal toy to me... i mean, they hold the stuff with two fingers?? i doubt that could inflict that much damage 'if'. sabre was the only one that looked fairly decent(at least the sword had a normal handle), but then again it looked as if they were using whips, not swords. Well at least that clip was entertaining. Even with the classical french (straight) grip, all 3 weapons are held with thumb and index finger and blade movements executed with finger pressure, the other 3 fingers are only there to assist. We didn't let beginners use the pistol grip to learn because it'll make them develop bad habits like using your wrist to move the blade instead. Besides, pistol grips comes in all sorts of sizes and shapes, and its much easier for the club to stock pratice foils with the french grip... which only comes in 1 shape and size. Just like the edge of a katana, the point of a rapier is a deadly instrument and you don't need much power at all to pierce an unarmored person. (The foil is, after all a peacetime weapon used for duels, rather than a battlefield.) People are pretty fragile objects, compared to pointed/edged metal weapons. I used to fence Sabre for 7 years before starting Kendo, and I call BS on that sabre hit. His arm was completely bent on the start of his attack, assuming he has to score on fencing rules, no right-of-way was established. His only salvation was that the kenshi was moving backwards. No one would have given the fencer that hit if it was done under non-electronic rules. (1 president and 2 side judges.) Where the heck did that light come from? There wasn't any electonic equipment on both of them and I saw no wires connecting the Kenshi nor the fencer, so I guess someone just pressed a button on the side lol. On the hit itself, based on where I wear my do and tare, that was off target. I guess that's one of the perks of electronic scoring... but then you see the result here too: crappy hits that bear no resemblence to a real sabre cut. Lets not even go into the how the fencer over-extended and have such a crappy finish that left him W-I-D-E open. (other ex-fencing guys on this forum will know what I'm talking about. ) For the Kendo guy, I'm glad they at least gave him a plastic eye protector and tape up ( or padded up?) his mengane.
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