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**9uWzBx4l** · 08-19-2006, 06:06 PM

“The foundation of Nami Ryu is Yanagi Ryu which is koryu.”

Yanagi ryu is not, at this point, a verifiable koryu. To state so is misleading and unsupportable. The history of Yanagi ryu can only be traced back three generations to Yoshida Kotaro, which would disqualify it from being koryu until the lineage of the art can be traced back further. Yanagi ryu itself may be based on koryu, but as it cannot be traced back far enough to qualify it as such at this point, so it can only be assumed to be gendai.

“Basically you can say that Nami Ryu is Yanagi Ryu with principle influences from Systema and Komagawa Kaishin Ryu.”

No, you can not… it is not Yanagi ryu. Not in style, form, content or kata. I am quite familiar with Yanagi ryu and what is done in Nami ryu is not the same at all. There are similarities, of course, but they are far from being the same art. Nami ryu is the culmination of James’ experience in various arts, only some of which was with Don Angier. It may contain some of the principles, techniques and practices of Yanagi ryu, just as it does Kumagawa Kaishin ryu, but that does not qualify it as being Yanagi ryu. It in Nami ryu created by James Williams.

08-19-2006, 06:06 PM	#15
9uWzBx4l Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 394 Senior Member	“The foundation of Nami Ryu is Yanagi Ryu which is koryu.” Yanagi ryu is not, at this point, a verifiable koryu. To state so is misleading and unsupportable. The history of Yanagi ryu can only be traced back three generations to Yoshida Kotaro, which would disqualify it from being koryu until the lineage of the art can be traced back further. Yanagi ryu itself may be based on koryu, but as it cannot be traced back far enough to qualify it as such at this point, so it can only be assumed to be gendai. “Basically you can say that Nami Ryu is Yanagi Ryu with principle influences from Systema and Komagawa Kaishin Ryu.” No, you can not… it is not Yanagi ryu. Not in style, form, content or kata. I am quite familiar with Yanagi ryu and what is done in Nami ryu is not the same at all. There are similarities, of course, but they are far from being the same art. Nami ryu is the culmination of James’ experience in various arts, only some of which was with Don Angier. It may contain some of the principles, techniques and practices of Yanagi ryu, just as it does Kumagawa Kaishin ryu, but that does not qualify it as being Yanagi ryu. It in Nami ryu created by James Williams.
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