Yup, thats cool. I accept that. But that wasn't my point. To me, disrespecting someone's death is possibly the worst thing you can to. I don't care how he or anyone else died, the fact of the matter is that he is dead, and it is just plain bad form to joke about it. I don't mind lightening things with humour, but to me (and i may have taken this wrong) but "I want to give the stingray a medal" isn't funny. The way I think of it is that anything I would say about the person who has died I would say in front of the persons family. I'm pretty sure that saying a line like that would upset most of his family. To me, that shit just aint funny. I aint getting into an arguement over this. I didn't know the guy, but you don't have to know someone to be touched by their lives or feeling sadness for their passing. And you don't have to know someone to feel angered when they are disrespected in such a way. As for the manner of which he died... It was a freak accident. He died doing something that he loved, and yes it was just a freak accident, like you said it is very very rare that this type of accident happens. I have no qualms of trying to lighten the mood, but putting stuff like "The moron finally pissed off one animal too many" aint lightening no mood. I'm sure his family would be gutted if they read anything like this. I am sorry if I have the wrong end of the stick, but to me those comments aren't trying to be nice. They are nasty and rude.