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**O25YtQnn** · 10-28-2005, 08:00 AM

Idiotic. Doing suburi or other 'hitting' air warmup more than necessary to increase circulation and to warmup the arms is pointless. 20 of oosuburi, men suburi, and hayasuburi each is enough. Doing more and the warmup becomes fatiguing (not the objective of a warmup) and turns into a aerobic exercise. I know a magical alternative aerobic exercise that is much more natural to the human body: Jogging.

Form can't be improved by swinging your shinai madly in the air. Form is impoved by hitting your opponent.

I'm with Neil on this subject. suburi/hayasuburi is not only for increasing circulation and warming up the arms, but also (more importantly) for developing the correct kensen/sword path and loosening and relaxing the shoulders. In fact, I know some senseis who make a point of doing a lot so as to make the students have to stop flexing shoulders and arms (after all, they can't when they're fatigued). If form were improved by hitting the opponent, everyone would start doing bogu practice from the beginning.

One thing that I'd like to add is that it does oftentimes help to have a "target". I have seen many beginners doing hayasuburi in the air and therefore having to make their own decisions as to how hard to strike down and when to pull up. If hayasuburi is done with a partner receiving with a shinai (holding the shinai horizontally with both hands), I've seen that it gives beginners a better sense of datotsu by being able to relax the shoulders and bounce the shinai on the target.

10-28-2005, 08:00 AM	#1
O25YtQnn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 552 Senior Member	Idiotic. Doing suburi or other 'hitting' air warmup more than necessary to increase circulation and to warmup the arms is pointless. 20 of oosuburi, men suburi, and hayasuburi each is enough. Doing more and the warmup becomes fatiguing (not the objective of a warmup) and turns into a aerobic exercise. I know a magical alternative aerobic exercise that is much more natural to the human body: Jogging. Form can't be improved by swinging your shinai madly in the air. Form is impoved by hitting your opponent. I'm with Neil on this subject. suburi/hayasuburi is not only for increasing circulation and warming up the arms, but also (more importantly) for developing the correct kensen/sword path and loosening and relaxing the shoulders. In fact, I know some senseis who make a point of doing a lot so as to make the students have to stop flexing shoulders and arms (after all, they can't when they're fatigued). If form were improved by hitting the opponent, everyone would start doing bogu practice from the beginning. One thing that I'd like to add is that it does oftentimes help to have a "target". I have seen many beginners doing hayasuburi in the air and therefore having to make their own decisions as to how hard to strike down and when to pull up. If hayasuburi is done with a partner receiving with a shinai (holding the shinai horizontally with both hands), I've seen that it gives beginners a better sense of datotsu by being able to relax the shoulders and bounce the shinai on the target.
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