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**allemnendup** · 11-04-2009, 12:24 PM

First off, as a kendoka I'm talking out my ass when it comes to real sword techniques. This is idle speculation on teh interwebz here.

The main problem that I can think of with nidan waza is that if a real sword connects on the first target, there's going to be some trouble getting it to the second target. The most common is kote-men, where as kendoka we typically rely on the kensen popping up off the kote to carry on into the men. With a real sword, you'd have to either miss (ie the kote is a feint, not an attack) or clear the sword from the kote by either yanking it or driving it through. All of those options are much different than a kendo kote-men, which as I've said is pretty shinai/bogu reliant.

I'm not sure why hiki-waza wouldn't work.

my idle speculation would be that the men is unnecessary if you connect with the kote, you would only move to the men if you missed (ie he dodged or he blocked.) I agree that a nidan waza where both are good cuts are pretty illegitimate, but in kendo if your intent was kote men, but the kote was good, don't you just take the kote and show zanshin? there is no need to take the men as well unless the kote was only to open up the men....

11-04-2009, 12:24 PM	#35
allemnendup Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 485 Senior Member	First off, as a kendoka I'm talking out my ass when it comes to real sword techniques. This is idle speculation on teh interwebz here. The main problem that I can think of with nidan waza is that if a real sword connects on the first target, there's going to be some trouble getting it to the second target. The most common is kote-men, where as kendoka we typically rely on the kensen popping up off the kote to carry on into the men. With a real sword, you'd have to either miss (ie the kote is a feint, not an attack) or clear the sword from the kote by either yanking it or driving it through. All of those options are much different than a kendo kote-men, which as I've said is pretty shinai/bogu reliant. I'm not sure why hiki-waza wouldn't work. my idle speculation would be that the men is unnecessary if you connect with the kote, you would only move to the men if you missed (ie he dodged or he blocked.) I agree that a nidan waza where both are good cuts are pretty illegitimate, but in kendo if your intent was kote men, but the kote was good, don't you just take the kote and show zanshin? there is no need to take the men as well unless the kote was only to open up the men....
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