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You don't have to be arrested to go to be escourted to a police station, eg drunks to spend a night in the cell, those willing to be taken to the police station, etc...

I wouldn't exactly call that website balanced and without more balanced views we go to the other extreme of under-security. We need to get a balance which appeases to all sides.

I also don't believe that they will combat terrorism, they do have scope for aiding against external actors acting within the UK, but this is not their main benefit. One good example is 'NHS tourism' would be radically cut.

With more single databases you increase the human interaction with these databases which can thus increase the chance of these databases being corrupted or errors popping up.

Personally I'm unsure how they could be used against you moving around the world or visting arms exhibitions (but then again I'd hope that there are added security checks to ensure that you're actually associated in the business of buying guns).

Also if you did your history, you'd know that trade unionists caused enough trouble as it was. Not only were their actions damaging the economy, but they began to target areas which were still economically active. You see, there has the be a line drawn: freedom and security. You can't allow groups taking law into their own hands to enact revenge on individuals who don't believe their philosophy. That said, you can't allow the state to govern all our actions and the only way forward is an equal balance: state and individual.

I believe in peaceful protest, but like usual there are always fringe movements who spoil it for everyone and the result was that anarchists and the like destroyed the equilibrium. During the G8, there were 21 complaints about the police force, but around 20 police officers were injured, including two police horses and 40 police vehicles. You can't have unlimited movement because had this been the case, even more people would have been injured and the chance of violent protestors and police crashes would increase.

Essentially the problems that you have now would most likely continue in the future, but the chance of this happening would decrease as you'd have fewer databases with fewer human interference.

I think you don't understand Europe that much, for a start a few countries already have ID Cards and have had them for many years. Police activities also don't have to be publicly disclosed to the extent that they are in Britain, for example speed cameras and mobile speed cameras have to be clearly identified with signs and coloured in luminous yellow in the UK, in some countries in the continent its tough luck if you happen to go over the speed limit where unidentified speed cameras might be.

I believe people should continually ensure that the state and police are in check, but admissions should be made on some fronts, while issues should be raised in others.

I should note though that we can't allow people to go about their business if it interferes with the liberty of others. We can't allow others to rape or murder because its their right: we have to create a balance that creates a safe society with evolutionary boundaries.

I personally believe the costs could be made more efficient by amalgamating together drivers licences, passports, etc... This way you bring together numerous departments which could be cut down red tape and thus human interference.

By all accounts that individual committed suicide for his errors in life; I'm okay with whistleblowers as long as they fully take into account their own actions in creating the problem.

Also I find it so annoying that people somehow align the UK with the US, simply because we share a few security concerns, when the UK is fully independent from the US. If anything France it could be argued has closer parallels with the US. Remember our country is more than just security.


Remember though: this was a thread based on the Congestion Charge and like it or not: its been a complete success.